like a few others i would like to put my piont forward about using my personnel vauxhall vivaro van to pull my caravan, i dont want to and cant afford to buy a huge towcar for my caravan , my vivaro pulls my caravan brilliantly with no effort at all, i can put what i want in to it and not overload the caravan, but more and more sites are still saying "sorry no vans for insurance purposes, i think that probably ga ga, , why not provide a small area where we can park our van if they dont want it on site ! how many other of you have points to make about this ....goood or bad glen
Using my Van to pull my caravan !
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Damian
Moderator
Glen, it is any site owners right to decide what they want on site, or what they do not.
Quite a lot of sites clearly state No Commercial Vehicles, which is their perogative.
It makes no difference what you may think about it, or what anyone else thinks about it.
The simple answer is find a site which does not have these restrictions.
Quite a lot of sites clearly state No Commercial Vehicles, which is their perogative.
It makes no difference what you may think about it, or what anyone else thinks about it.
The simple answer is find a site which does not have these restrictions.
When you state it is your 'personnel' van does that mean you use it to carry other people, or is it your own property? If the latter then put some windows in the side and call it a camper van. They cannot stop you then.
However, if it has trade logo on the side, then you have a problem. Mind you I have seen a number of sites affiliated to the Clubs where commercial vans were on site as the owners were using a caravan for living while working locally. It is the site owner's choice.
However, if it has trade logo on the side, then you have a problem. Mind you I have seen a number of sites affiliated to the Clubs where commercial vans were on site as the owners were using a caravan for living while working locally. It is the site owner's choice.
i think the way you answered that was a little bit out of order !! it sounded quite offensive the way you worded that , i hopethat you are not pro van pulling
We all know why sites have these rules, and I think we all agree with the reasoning behind it, however I am in similar situation. Been caravanning for about 10 years and always had a big car for pulling the van. Being self employed I have now had to swap my volvo estate for a van for my business. I can't afford to run both all year, so not really sure what will happen next season. I really hope our favourite sites will allow a van on them. We are the same people that we have been for the last 5 years that we have used these sites, but next year we will have a van and not a car. Let's hope the sites exercise some discretion.
Damian
Moderator
Glen, I am sorry you interpreted my reply as you did.
All I was doing was pointing out facts.
Fact 1: Site owners decide who they want, or not.
Fact 2: It really makes no difference to them what others may think of their rules, they are their rules.
Fact 3: The only way round it is to find sites which accept vans as tow vehicles.
Finally I think you meant you hope I am not "anti" van puller,as being "pro" means agreeing with.
In actual fact I have no problems with whatever anyone uses, it makes no difference at all, to me.
It does make a difference to the caravan manufacturer though as many state that towing with a commercial vehicle is not recommended and may have warranty issues in the event of claims.
hi glen and simon.
I do symathise with your situation, it should not matter what vehicle you tow your van with BUT and it is a big but some of the most undesirable elements use commercial vehicles to tow with and in order to keep these off site owners have bans.
it is very annoying if you have no choice but understandable just like it is for the rest of us when choosing a site to visit, some sites ban dogs some children others it's motor cycles or same sex groups, yet some of the nicest people you could wish to meet will be banned somewhere or other.
just choose your sites with a bit more care and ring them beforehand explaining your situation there is allways somewhere in an area that will take you.
we have a motto that might be worth remembering "if they don't want us they don't want our money".
colin
I do symathise with your situation, it should not matter what vehicle you tow your van with BUT and it is a big but some of the most undesirable elements use commercial vehicles to tow with and in order to keep these off site owners have bans.
it is very annoying if you have no choice but understandable just like it is for the rest of us when choosing a site to visit, some sites ban dogs some children others it's motor cycles or same sex groups, yet some of the nicest people you could wish to meet will be banned somewhere or other.
just choose your sites with a bit more care and ring them beforehand explaining your situation there is allways somewhere in an area that will take you.
we have a motto that might be worth remembering "if they don't want us they don't want our money".
colin
I have seen a lot more sites that state "No commercial Vehicles" on site...Not sure whether it is an advertising thing..i.e. adverts on the Van or whether they think that the person will be working from the site when away.
I think the Caravan Club allow Caravans being pulled by Vans on their sites...we saw a couple last year at Broadway C.C. site..although they didn't have any logos etc. on them.
Personally it doesn't bother me if my next door neighbour has a van on their pitch at all...I am sure it is there livlihood..My hubby is a Builder..we have a Van..although we have never towed with it...!
Unfortunately though it is up to the site owner or warden as to what they want on their particular site...best thing is to google around...but always ring up the site to explain and check before arriving...they may be more co-operative than you think. Good luck.
Chrisanne
Parksy
Moderator
It might be best to telephone the site that you wish to book at the time of booking to ask if your van will be a problem.
The obvious reason for some sites barring vans or commercial vehicles is of course a method of preventing members of the travelling or gypsy communities from using the site.
Present UK law prevents site owners or managers from actually barring travellers etc so the 'no commercial vehicles' rule sidesteps the legislation.
Other reasons for vans etc not being allowed might be to do with the possibility of theft from these vehicles, disturbance to fellow site users if the owner of the van goes to work from the site and the very real possibility of grass pitches and parts of the site being churned up by vans in wet weather.
The obvious reason for some sites barring vans or commercial vehicles is of course a method of preventing members of the travelling or gypsy communities from using the site.
Present UK law prevents site owners or managers from actually barring travellers etc so the 'no commercial vehicles' rule sidesteps the legislation.
Other reasons for vans etc not being allowed might be to do with the possibility of theft from these vehicles, disturbance to fellow site users if the owner of the van goes to work from the site and the very real possibility of grass pitches and parts of the site being churned up by vans in wet weather.
Actually I wonder if the " going off to do a bit of work" theory may be one reason...We have in fact been on sites in the past where our vanning neighbour with said Van has said that he has just had a phone call..and he is off to a quick job. Believe me this does happen..even when people are away for a weekend..especially if they are self employed...!
To my mind this could be one reason..and has been said the travelling community do like their large Vans as well.!
Chrisann
To my mind this could be one reason..and has been said the travelling community do like their large Vans as well.!
Chrisann
I can't see a problem with people "going off to work", when I'm out with the caravan I don't just sit in the caravan from Friday evening through to Sunday afternoon. We constantly go out visiting the local areas and attractions.
Also the van's ripping up the grass is also a non starter, many 4x4s are bigger and heavier than smaller vans and have more power at the wheels to churn up the grass.
I expect Parksy's explanation is closer to the mark.
Jimbo
Also the van's ripping up the grass is also a non starter, many 4x4s are bigger and heavier than smaller vans and have more power at the wheels to churn up the grass.
I expect Parksy's explanation is closer to the mark.
Jimbo
Hi Glen.
There might be a solution to this situation. First of all why not do the graphics on the van to suit a leisure vehicle and then place your business advert on a magnetic sign that could be sized to suit the panel sculptures, that way you can have a van that is more acceptable as it looks like any other motor home type vehicle but can double up as the work horse.
Finally why not add some slot in units to convert the van to a day van for your leisure use.
Again this would make the van more acceptable as a leisure vehicle and not a comercial van, but you know different as the van would easily convert back to business use as well.
Atb steve l.
There might be a solution to this situation. First of all why not do the graphics on the van to suit a leisure vehicle and then place your business advert on a magnetic sign that could be sized to suit the panel sculptures, that way you can have a van that is more acceptable as it looks like any other motor home type vehicle but can double up as the work horse.
Finally why not add some slot in units to convert the van to a day van for your leisure use.
Again this would make the van more acceptable as a leisure vehicle and not a comercial van, but you know different as the van would easily convert back to business use as well.
Atb steve l.
Hi,
A COMMERCIAL vehicle is a vehicle used commercially. But I don't think DVLA use that description. They call them GOODS vehicles.
So if you roll up in your privately used van, and the site owner refuses you entry, tell him that your vehicle is no more a commercial than, say, that farmer's 4x4 parked over there, or that rep's estate car parked next to it. Pizza delivery scooter?
It probably won't get you anywhere, but it might cost the site owner the price of a new sign.
Does anyone know the attitude to crew-cab SUVs, with 4 doors and pickup rear, with hard top over the rear, possibly with windows in the hardtop? Used as a "dog-cart"? Thats what my wife says she wants next. Currently we drive a Discovery van, but only because we needed to buy a tow-car at very short notice, and this one's price was right.
Er.....isn't there some case law that says that INDIRECT(see below) discrimination is against the spirit of the Act. So if travellers drive vans, and vans are not allowed on site........
Years ago, people over 28(?)could not join the Civil Service as Executive Officers. Most people who wanted to were women who had been EOs, but had resigned to have a baby. A woman took the CS to court and won. This was Sexual Discrimination. The rules were changed.
602
A COMMERCIAL vehicle is a vehicle used commercially. But I don't think DVLA use that description. They call them GOODS vehicles.
So if you roll up in your privately used van, and the site owner refuses you entry, tell him that your vehicle is no more a commercial than, say, that farmer's 4x4 parked over there, or that rep's estate car parked next to it. Pizza delivery scooter?
It probably won't get you anywhere, but it might cost the site owner the price of a new sign.
Does anyone know the attitude to crew-cab SUVs, with 4 doors and pickup rear, with hard top over the rear, possibly with windows in the hardtop? Used as a "dog-cart"? Thats what my wife says she wants next. Currently we drive a Discovery van, but only because we needed to buy a tow-car at very short notice, and this one's price was right.
Er.....isn't there some case law that says that INDIRECT(see below) discrimination is against the spirit of the Act. So if travellers drive vans, and vans are not allowed on site........
Years ago, people over 28(?)could not join the Civil Service as Executive Officers. Most people who wanted to were women who had been EOs, but had resigned to have a baby. A woman took the CS to court and won. This was Sexual Discrimination. The rules were changed.
602
A caravan site is private land and any owner can choose who or what he wants on site or not, much like you can decide who you want in your house or garden without giving a reason.
If you don't like their policy, go somewhere else
If you don't like their policy, go somewhere else
Hi Dave,
I disagree. A caravan site is a commercial premises (should that be "are" or "premise"?), and as such bound by the discrimination laws.
Whether I agree with the discrimination laws is a different matter. Probably depends on whether I own a van or a caravan site.
602
I disagree. A caravan site is a commercial premises (should that be "are" or "premise"?), and as such bound by the discrimination laws.
Whether I agree with the discrimination laws is a different matter. Probably depends on whether I own a van or a caravan site.
602
thanks to everyone for your opinions, but let me tell all that my van is a personnel van that i use for my own personnel use, i drive a company car , so my van has no sign writing at all just plain white like lots of cars,,,and my van is definetlt less commercial than any 4x4 which was buit for field workand farming ,
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