I think the high cost of fuel could lead to some sites closing. The BBC website yesterday said we could soon be loking at £8.00 a gallon. I live in Scotland and was thinking of going to Cornwall this summer, now i'm going to north Wales. I fear the worst for sites in the far north of Scotland. Has anyone else changed their plans this year due to fuel costs
Will high fuel prices lead to site closures.
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Tom Dickson said:
We haven't.
We've booked 11 weeks so far but being realistic we don't expect to do much driving around in the areas we are stopping at.
hi Tom. yes we have every year since retireing we have spent the early summer in devon/cornwall usually about 8 or 9 weeks end of may through till the kiddie winkies break up this year we are going to the peak district for 3 weeks on a CL to save money we hope this will save us enough to be able to go again later on in the year.
colin
ps. must be nice to have a decent pension el bee
colin
ps. must be nice to have a decent pension el bee
We have cancelled the New Forest at Brockenhurst due to the fact we were are also going to Tenby at Freshwater east, one had to go, instead of 250 mile trips looking at around 150 to 180, so we have booked Anglesey and Barnard Castle along with our usual trip to Hawes, pity really was looking forward to the new forest, hopefully next year. l wonder how those going abroad will go on, is the fuel prices that much cheaper in Europe, probably in France otherwise they would have shot the government if they had our price's, or has they say off with their heads eh!eh!.
Nigel
Nigel
colin-yorkshire said:
Believe me ya ol' tyke, it's getting hard but thankfully daddy left me comfortably well orf from when he sold his mines to the government. He also got a good price for the houses he built for his serfs workers
Hi TomWe will not be beaten by the greedy pigs. So we will continue to holiday but just save a little more each month for the extra fuel cost. At worst it may cost me say £2.00 more for every 30 miles so a 5000 mile grand tour will cost me an extra £333.34.( whoops my fonts gone us!)
A round trip to Cornwall with minimal touring say 1000 miles will cost me £66.66 extra.
We thought about changing cars but then that would mean changing the Wyoming and that's not we want. Anyway the overall cost of a change would cost us!
Stick with the caravan
A round trip to Cornwall with minimal touring say 1000 miles will cost me £66.66 extra.
We thought about changing cars but then that would mean changing the Wyoming and that's not we want. Anyway the overall cost of a change would cost us!
Stick with the caravan
Yes we have change our plan from Club site to C.L site this year< What everything going up from 10 to 20% or more, We only just got a 3% pay rise after Xmas, Trevor123
Not changing any plans due to fuel prices, we hope to go more often. I am in the fortunate position that I dont need my car to get to work, I cycle, so the fuel cost will not affect me as much. The only thing we are changing is using CL's during peak times. For Easter through to May day we will be saving £134 which can then go to pay for the diesel.
We are now doing the main towing with a Freelander2, twice the MPG that we get with the Disco, ( only used for green laning now) so we are not changing our plans. Fifteen weeks away booked excluding our Long haul foreign trips. Oh the life of a pensioner!!!
Fuel is priced in gallons to create sensation regarding the price. Fuel is sold in litres and that should be the way it is referred to.
David
David
It will not stop us from going abroad as diesel is much cheaper over there in Europe especially Austria.
Trouble with that one is, I bet theres not many on here who work out how many miles they get to a litre.David Klyne said:
Bri
Doh, how does that work then. Every fuel station I've been to for years prices by the Litre. But all the fuel efficiency talk still comes back to MPG as that is more releavant in most Brit motorists heads. It matters not if you mark the price of fuel by the Litre, Gill, Pint, Quart or US gallon. IT DOESN'T MAKE FUEL ANY CHEAPERDavid Klyne said:
I'm afraid i do think the cost of fuel will have an affect on peoples holidays, therefore a consequence to the site operators.
Our seasonal site used to offer two methods of payment. All up front or half and half. This year they have broken the season down to month by month costings. Obviouslt the summer school hols are 3 times the cost of spring, even though they are an adult only site. Actually I could see them reverting back to family site if there aren't many all season takers. I'm considering breaking our fee down to manageable portions as I am hoping to be fixed this year after my spine operation.
Last season our summer site was very quiet indeed compared to 2008 & 2009. I would say they lost 50% casual trade and 30% seasonal compared to 09. To some extent the previous managers moving on had an affect on that as the replacements were not so customer friendly. It took one child's misuse of the taps in the toilet block to get kids banned, but that imeadiately lost 40% of custom. They did manage to sell a few static vans and convert tourer seasonals to static seasonals with sweet deals. So they have got a "captivating" personality. But the gaps are not filled out on the touring field. Even here on our winter site, there is probably 30% fewer people about, but the site owner is taking advantage and installing gravel awning standings to complement his concrete van standings. Obviously working hard to keep his customers happy and encourage more.
But unfortunately despite the commercial banks making "bonuses" again, the high street encouragement of personal banks is way back in the shadows. So any site owner without a mortgage might well capitalise over those who have to factor in costly loans and wages for staff regardless of vans through the gate. So undoubtedly there will be casualties and that will open the door for some prospecting people wanting to change their lifestyle and want to run a campsite. But I doubt they will have a smooth ride from the banks as they will want high interest rates and also sites selling will always look rosie on paper.
In short, a misserable year ahead I think with everyone feeling the pinch! Well that's unless your an investment banker, politition with a good recipt forger, or you get those lucky 6 numbers.
Our seasonal site used to offer two methods of payment. All up front or half and half. This year they have broken the season down to month by month costings. Obviouslt the summer school hols are 3 times the cost of spring, even though they are an adult only site. Actually I could see them reverting back to family site if there aren't many all season takers. I'm considering breaking our fee down to manageable portions as I am hoping to be fixed this year after my spine operation.
Last season our summer site was very quiet indeed compared to 2008 & 2009. I would say they lost 50% casual trade and 30% seasonal compared to 09. To some extent the previous managers moving on had an affect on that as the replacements were not so customer friendly. It took one child's misuse of the taps in the toilet block to get kids banned, but that imeadiately lost 40% of custom. They did manage to sell a few static vans and convert tourer seasonals to static seasonals with sweet deals. So they have got a "captivating" personality. But the gaps are not filled out on the touring field. Even here on our winter site, there is probably 30% fewer people about, but the site owner is taking advantage and installing gravel awning standings to complement his concrete van standings. Obviously working hard to keep his customers happy and encourage more.
But unfortunately despite the commercial banks making "bonuses" again, the high street encouragement of personal banks is way back in the shadows. So any site owner without a mortgage might well capitalise over those who have to factor in costly loans and wages for staff regardless of vans through the gate. So undoubtedly there will be casualties and that will open the door for some prospecting people wanting to change their lifestyle and want to run a campsite. But I doubt they will have a smooth ride from the banks as they will want high interest rates and also sites selling will always look rosie on paper.
In short, a misserable year ahead I think with everyone feeling the pinch! Well that's unless your an investment banker, politition with a good recipt forger, or you get those lucky 6 numbers.
Can someone please explain why they insist on adding the £0.009 ontot he price is fule. Instead of £1.269 why don't they just round it up to £1.27 or do they think that all motorists that stupid so they can fool us all the time? If you put in 5 litres at £1.269 it will round up to £6.35 instead of £6.34. If you put in 5 litres`at £1.27 it will be £6.35 so no difference!
Try doing the same maths on 50 litres and you will loose another 5p multiply that by 52 weeks = £2.60.
Do you really want to give these thieving B*****DS more of your hard earned money.
Steve W
Do you really want to give these thieving B*****DS more of your hard earned money.
Steve W
Parksy
Moderator
I don't think that caravan parks will close as a result of high fuel prices but some of them might fill their touring fields with statics, a trend which was on the increase anyway.
Park owners get guaranteed revenue from static owners and they often operate a cartel with local supplers of statics which means that buyers are restricted to one dealer. When the static is sold there is often another clause forcing the static owner to sell back to the park at a knock down price.
I won't allow the astronomical fuel prices to affect my use of the caravan. One less night at the pub per month and I'm covered
A lot of my towing is motorway travel which is more economical to tow along than trunk roads and because we are retired, having spent the same amount of fuel money no matter how long we stay we might sneak in a few extra days seeing as how we're there anyway.
Park owners get guaranteed revenue from static owners and they often operate a cartel with local supplers of statics which means that buyers are restricted to one dealer. When the static is sold there is often another clause forcing the static owner to sell back to the park at a knock down price.
I won't allow the astronomical fuel prices to affect my use of the caravan. One less night at the pub per month and I'm covered
A lot of my towing is motorway travel which is more economical to tow along than trunk roads and because we are retired, having spent the same amount of fuel money no matter how long we stay we might sneak in a few extra days seeing as how we're there anyway.
Hi to you all out there. The current cost of petrol at my local Shell station is 129.9p/ltr that is130p/ltr like it or lump it. 130px4.5461= £5.9099 or £5.91per gallon. The scare tactics of threats of £8.00per gallon ( I think is a long way off) is the same as printing sensational eye grabbing headlines about so called celebrities & TV/film stars. It sells the papers,after all they are not making the money through advertising like they did in the past.Print crap,find a fuel station in the back of beyond that has a captive village customer base and publish those figures,the heightened curiosity/panic will promote addition sales of the paper in the short term and until some other alert can be fabricated and blown out of proportion. We have a few stations with petrol & diesel at real silly money,you very rarely see more than the odd car or two,and if you look at the petrol/diesel dispensed it is clearly just sufficient to get them elsewhere & more realistic cost per litre.
The reality is that if fuel goes up by 10p/litre that is in reality 46p/gal. On an annual caravanning holiday with the kids from Mid Scotland down to Devon or Cornwall (say a round trip of 1000miles) at as low as 25mpg it would add £18/£19 pounds to the holiday in fuel costs. Would that really be the death knell for caravan sites ?,let alone stop a holiday trip. It might encourage local people to caravan sites all over the country to travel less and use more local/closer to home sites. It is alleged that turning all of the stand-by modes off at home in the average modern home that cost plus more could be saved. Start saving for that special further away trip,it just might be the last. After all, the notion of 5% inflation might have been a wild under estimate,or a typing error !!. If it should have been 35% there is your £8.00 per gallon,problem solved!!,we need more early recognition of error courses at colleges and Degree Awards to go with them.
The reality is that if fuel goes up by 10p/litre that is in reality 46p/gal. On an annual caravanning holiday with the kids from Mid Scotland down to Devon or Cornwall (say a round trip of 1000miles) at as low as 25mpg it would add £18/£19 pounds to the holiday in fuel costs. Would that really be the death knell for caravan sites ?,let alone stop a holiday trip. It might encourage local people to caravan sites all over the country to travel less and use more local/closer to home sites. It is alleged that turning all of the stand-by modes off at home in the average modern home that cost plus more could be saved. Start saving for that special further away trip,it just might be the last. After all, the notion of 5% inflation might have been a wild under estimate,or a typing error !!. If it should have been 35% there is your £8.00 per gallon,problem solved!!,we need more early recognition of error courses at colleges and Degree Awards to go with them.
Here-Here Parksy. Being retired is wonderful and with the age concession and far to easy to extend an away trip,especially with mid-week special offer temptations meaning an extra couple of nights for two and "have cat will travel" costing little more than being at home with the on-costs of Gas/Electric & Water,water is on a water meter. I am going to try an experiment and turn off everything other than the Fridge & Freezer next time we are away for a few days and monitor the before and after readings. The gas boiler is on a pilot light and (yes I'm guilty as well) the other items are on permanent stand-by.
I can see your point Parksy.
But I think there is an affect already taking place on sites inland of the coast that have in the past been handy stop overs for those travelling a long way. For a start people are travelling less distance and so don't choose the usual place to go. Then others are saving a few quid by driving the 250 mile trip in one hit. Now 250 miles on the motorways might not be too much of a drain on the driver, but doing that sort of trip say, over the welsh or scotish roads might very well result in driver fatigue, and possably an increased risk of an incident but not necessarily an accident.
Another very valid point raised is the fact that petrol forecourts are the only place in the UK where goods can be sold in a measured dose for a price that is not strictly legal tender. I always thought a pound was a pound and a penny was a penny. To coin a phrase from our kilt wearing friends up north, "look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves". Another finer point on the fuel subject is, have you noticed just how difficult it is today to stop at £20 or £50 on the pump cost indicator. Me being on a tight budget, I watch every penny even to the point of putting £2 coins in my stiggy bank for the lecie. But when I'm fuelling the car, I have noticed a few times how as if by magic when I get to the till the cost is £20-01p !! One of the most suseptable stations seems to be the orange ones next to Jamie's favorite shop. The other point is that the pumps are sped up so much now that they often lockout as the fuel is being forced down the tank's throat faster than it can cope with.
Oh BTW. what about the 0.5% MINUS dip in the GDP announced yesterday? Have the fiddlers and tweakers finally twigged thta we are still in a deep recession if not a double dip. That should be a familiar word around the westminster honey pot!
But I think there is an affect already taking place on sites inland of the coast that have in the past been handy stop overs for those travelling a long way. For a start people are travelling less distance and so don't choose the usual place to go. Then others are saving a few quid by driving the 250 mile trip in one hit. Now 250 miles on the motorways might not be too much of a drain on the driver, but doing that sort of trip say, over the welsh or scotish roads might very well result in driver fatigue, and possably an increased risk of an incident but not necessarily an accident.
Another very valid point raised is the fact that petrol forecourts are the only place in the UK where goods can be sold in a measured dose for a price that is not strictly legal tender. I always thought a pound was a pound and a penny was a penny. To coin a phrase from our kilt wearing friends up north, "look after the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves". Another finer point on the fuel subject is, have you noticed just how difficult it is today to stop at £20 or £50 on the pump cost indicator. Me being on a tight budget, I watch every penny even to the point of putting £2 coins in my stiggy bank for the lecie. But when I'm fuelling the car, I have noticed a few times how as if by magic when I get to the till the cost is £20-01p !! One of the most suseptable stations seems to be the orange ones next to Jamie's favorite shop. The other point is that the pumps are sped up so much now that they often lockout as the fuel is being forced down the tank's throat faster than it can cope with.
Oh BTW. what about the 0.5% MINUS dip in the GDP announced yesterday? Have the fiddlers and tweakers finally twigged thta we are still in a deep recession if not a double dip. That should be a familiar word around the westminster honey pot!
Just to throw in my 5 pennyworth, think on this:
In 1964, we used to travel regularly from GoC to Cumbria, in a minivan, at a cost of around £5.0s 0d.for petrol.
Last Sunday, I did the same trip, in my Volvo 850, at a cost of £110.00p.
That sounds a horrendous increase, but hold on a minute!
In 1964, I was earning £12 5s 6d per week, therefore the trip cost just less than half a weeks wages.
Now, my total pensions are just under £300.00p per week, therefore the trip cost considerably less than half my "wages", and in a much more luxurious car, and in two-thirds of the time.
Food for thought.
In 1964, we used to travel regularly from GoC to Cumbria, in a minivan, at a cost of around £5.0s 0d.for petrol.
Last Sunday, I did the same trip, in my Volvo 850, at a cost of £110.00p.
That sounds a horrendous increase, but hold on a minute!
In 1964, I was earning £12 5s 6d per week, therefore the trip cost just less than half a weeks wages.
Now, my total pensions are just under £300.00p per week, therefore the trip cost considerably less than half my "wages", and in a much more luxurious car, and in two-thirds of the time.
Food for thought.
we are NOT in recession and im fed up with everyone " talking it down". I had a business meeting this morning and many SME's are fed up to the back teeth with this double dip recession idea been propagated by people who often have little or no idea of what is actually happening.
Construction always dips for November and December and is generally quiet right through to April.
As for retail, we should stop relying on the same old £5,.0 note circulating around the high street.
Manufacturing is gettign very busy, and as long as the £ keeps falling and inflation keeps growing , manufactuting will get stronger. Its manufacturing thats going to pay for state pensions, NHS and services so talk it up guys.
Talk it up, not down.
Construction always dips for November and December and is generally quiet right through to April.
As for retail, we should stop relying on the same old £5,.0 note circulating around the high street.
Manufacturing is gettign very busy, and as long as the £ keeps falling and inflation keeps growing , manufactuting will get stronger. Its manufacturing thats going to pay for state pensions, NHS and services so talk it up guys.
Talk it up, not down.
Parksy
Moderator
I don't think that this topic is about recession Phil, it's about the soaring cost of fuel and whether this will affect touring parks.
I wish that somebody would 'talk down' the astronomical cost of diesel fuel because the unchecked rises coupled with the increased revenue is going to cause prices in general to rise.
I'm not sure what you meant by 'we should stop relying on the same old £5,.0 note circulating around the high street' but what I am sure of is that we can only spend that fiver once and people are starting to re examine what they spend it on.
I wish that somebody would 'talk down' the astronomical cost of diesel fuel because the unchecked rises coupled with the increased revenue is going to cause prices in general to rise.
I'm not sure what you meant by 'we should stop relying on the same old £5,.0 note circulating around the high street' but what I am sure of is that we can only spend that fiver once and people are starting to re examine what they spend it on.
emmerson said:
Only trouble is, there are a lot of us getting a lot less than that each week.
Steve W
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