Young Children and caravanning......

[MONKEY1]

I have read on another thread that people have been complaining about unruley children.

I would just like to point out that children are a reflection on their parents - my children are 2 and 4 and when we go away on holiday they are polite and respectful and do no go running on other peoples pitches etc.

I am sure the people who have complained and said that their children are now all grown up should think back to their childrens early years I am sure that you children did not really have the halo and wings that you are indicating they had.

 

[rayc]

Monkey, I have caravanned for nearly 20 years and during that time I have found the vast majority of children pleasant and happy. Nothing beter than hearing them playing happily in the fresh air - well it does tire them out. There have been times when they have been a pain ( as have some adults).

I am sure that the people who have complained about children are talking about ones they have actually met who have been a pain, not the hundreds who havn't. A bit like your experience with unsociable caravanners.

 

[AnnM1]

You only need one child/teenager that is unruly and you might as well have a site full. They egg all the younger ones on and cause mayhem. Yes, there are families (we have met them) who take care of their children but watch for the dreaded new car/caravan turning up next to you with children - you can bet your bottom dollar they will cause problems!!! I prefer to pitch next to an older 'van with children who seem to respect other peoples units far more.

Having recently spent a week (far too long!) at Normans Bay C&CC site we had a teenager actually racing between our caravan and car! This surely should not be tolerated.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

You only need one child/teenager that is unruly and you might as well have a site full. They egg all the younger ones on and cause mayhem. Yes, there are families (we have met them) who take care of their children but watch for the dreaded new car/caravan turning up next to you with children - you can bet your bottom dollar they will cause problems!!! I prefer to pitch next to an older 'van with children who seem to respect other peoples units far more.

Having recently spent a week (far too long!) at Normans Bay C&CC site we had a teenager actually racing between our caravan and car! This surely should not be tolerated.

Oh dear, why do people go all defensive at the mention of children as if its a personal attack against their own. Under the thread I started (which you should have posted your comment under instead of starting a new one on the same subject, it makes it easier for people to follow), at no time did I say ALL kids were the same as you will have seen if you had read it carefully. It would be a better forum if people just inwardly digested the post instead of reading it quick and see red mist. As Ray said I was just giving 2 examples of my experience on sites this year and I'm sure that either incident would want to drive someone to an adults only site even if the other 99.99% of children were angels. I think children should be locked up behind windbreaks, OOPS I forgot, Monkey dont like windbreaks. Just kiddin' Monkey heheheh now dont go getting serious on me again ⇦ hiding under desktop :OP

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Oh dear, why do people go all defensive at the mention of children as if its a personal attack against their own. Under the thread I started (which you should have posted your comment under instead of starting a new one on the same subject, it makes it easier for people to follow), at no time did I say ALL kids were the same as you will have seen if you had read it carefully. It would be a better forum if people just inwardly digested the post instead of reading it quick and see red mist. As Ray said I was just giving 2 examples of my experience on sites this year and I'm sure that either incident would want to drive someone to an adults only site even if the other 99.99% of children were angels. I think children should be locked up behind windbreaks, OOPS I forgot, Monkey dont like windbreaks. Just kiddin' Monkey heheheh now dont go getting serious on me again ⇦ hiding under desktop :OP

 

[VIP2006]

My wife and I have vanned for many years and brought up our only son to respect people, and their property etc.

We both get great delight in seeing youngsters quickly making friends with each other and we love to see them playing with their bikes with a younger one trying to match the older ones. We find that on CC sites that children are very well behaved and courteous especially to older people. youngsters are our future and should not be inhibited in there youthfull pursuits.

 

[MONKEY1]

Oh dear, why do people go all defensive at the mention of children as if its a personal attack against their own. Under the thread I started (which you should have posted your comment under instead of starting a new one on the same subject, it makes it easier for people to follow), at no time did I say ALL kids were the same as you will have seen if you had read it carefully. It would be a better forum if people just inwardly digested the post instead of reading it quick and see red mist. As Ray said I was just giving 2 examples of my experience on sites this year and I'm sure that either incident would want to drive someone to an adults only site even if the other 99.99% of children were angels. I think children should be locked up behind windbreaks, OOPS I forgot, Monkey dont like windbreaks. Just kiddin' Monkey heheheh now dont go getting serious on me again ⇦ hiding under desktop :OP

Glad you know your place!

 

[Tina3]

Hang on Ann, what the heck has having a new car and van got to do with having unruly kids,I fail to see the connection, I have a new car, new van and two lovely well behaved children who are bieng taught to respect others!,same age as Monkeys 2 and 4 and much better behaved than some bloody so called adults! please explain your comment! ):

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

WHOOOOAAAA WHOOOAAA Jeeeezzzzz I dont know about unruly kids but you are acting like them. For Christs sake take a gulp of fresh air and calm down.If you go to the "Why Some Prefer Adult Sites" thread where Monkey should have put her post instead of starting off a new thread on the same subject you will see that nobody is blaming ALL children. No matter what your own kids are like you have to admit that there are some right little horrors out there with parents to match who spoil it for others. If you haven't seen or experienced them take off your rose tinted spectacles and get into the real world.

 

[BrianStAlbans]

Hang on Ann, what the heck has having a new car and van got to do with having unruly kids,I fail to see the connection, I have a new car, new van and two lovely well behaved children who are bieng taught to respect others!,same age as Monkeys 2 and 4 and much better behaved than some bloody so called adults! please explain your comment! ):

Well said Tina,I too struggle to see the link between a new outfit and unruly kids !...Brian

 

[MONKEY1]

Chris,

Do not tell me where or where not I should put things - I am not talking about Adult Only Sites I am talking about family sites and childrens behaviours.

If I wish to start a new thread on the same tack I shall - if you do not like it - don't reply. Pick your toys up off the floor and put them back in your pram before mummy gets cross.

Yes I agree that there are little horrors out there but they are children and you cannot expect them to be quiet and respectful at early ages. I agree that teenagers should know better but I am sure that your were an annoying child - as you seem not to have grown out of that phase quite yet.

 

[rayc]

All the comments above are saying the same thing one way or another. Children are lovely and the majority well behaved. There are though some FAMILIES who behave in an unsocial manner.

Whether you choose to be tolerant and put up with it or choose to go to an adult only site to minimise the risk is a personal choice.

Over the years the biggest arguements I have seen on sites are not between adults without children and those with, but between families with children where something has happened between the children. It doesn't appear to me that the parents share Shiraz's view about tolerance when it comes to arguements involving their own children.

Still I would think that the parents of children, whether well behaved or not, are very pleased that people who are annoyed by children, or don't want to be near them, have exercised their right to go to adult only sites. Not very different really from my British Legion club which welcomes children but doesn't allow them in the lounge.

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

Monkey,

I am not trying to be funny, but the majority of people on this forum, I guess, have all been parents with young children at some time in their lives - I know I have.

Unfortuately, good parenting skills is something that has to be learnt. We are not taught - and it is not our God given right to be parents.

When you look around at SOME families - not many. The parents have not got a clue. They have no means of chastising the children apart from shouting and screaming at them, or just letting them get on with whatever they are doing irrespective of the nuisance they are causing other people. Simply because they can't be bothered, or just don't know how to.

You only have to look at Supernanny on TV to see the prime examples of parenting skills SOME people have. Then you can understand why some families behave like they do - no dicipline!!

As I said in a previous thread, we are living in a Nanny society, where we are now not allowed to chastise our children the way WE think fit and this is the sort of future we are creating.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Monkey,

I am not trying to be funny, but the majority of people on this forum, I guess, have all been parents with young children at some time in their lives - I know I have.

Unfortuately, good parenting skills is something that has to be learnt. We are not taught - and it is not our God given right to be parents.

When you look around at SOME families - not many. The parents have not got a clue. They have no means of chastising the children apart from shouting and screaming at them, or just letting them get on with whatever they are doing irrespective of the nuisance they are causing other people. Simply because they can't be bothered, or just don't know how to.

You only have to look at Supernanny on TV to see the prime examples of parenting skills SOME people have. Then you can understand why some families behave like they do - no dicipline!!

As I said in a previous thread, we are living in a Nanny society, where we are now not allowed to chastise our children the way WE think fit and this is the sort of future we are creating.

Wendy, the previous thread you refer to is "Why some prefer adult sites" where Monkey should have put her post but like a scolded child who is stamping her feet she cant see whats wrong in starting a new thread on the same topic.

 

[gypsy]

Wendy, the previous thread you refer to is "Why some prefer adult sites" where Monkey should have put her post but like a scolded child who is stamping her feet she cant see whats wrong in starting a new thread on the same topic.

I agree with Wendy, some parents haven't a clue, and don't deserve the title of Parents.

 

[MONKEY1]

I refuse to get into some childish and pointlessd ebate about whether this thread should have/have not been started. I only have an attitude when dealing with half wits like you.

And for the record my children do not have tantrums - I do not mind you passing judgement on me - be it all wrong - but NEVER bring my children into it - UNDERSTAND?

 

[Chrissylizzie]

Monkey professed to be an adult capable of adult conversation on another posting. Adult people do not need to be so beligerent in their remarks to others and should be able to express their points of view in a calm manner.

Monkey not only posts under the wrong thread, she also doesn,t read properly, accusing me of being some nosy pervert who looked into people's vans at night to see what they were doing. Somebody else referred to reading posts properly and not just seeing red mist. Quite agree.

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

I refuse to get into some childish and pointlessd ebate about whether this thread should have/have not been started. I only have an attitude when dealing with half wits like you.

And for the record my children do not have tantrums - I do not mind you passing judgement on me - be it all wrong - but NEVER bring my children into it - UNDERSTAND?

As far as I can see Monkey, nobody has made any references towards your children. Nobody would even know you on a caravan site - why get so stroppy!!

 

[Tina3]

WHOOOOAAAA WHOOOAAA Jeeeezzzzz I dont know about unruly kids but you are acting like them. For Christs sake take a gulp of fresh air and calm down.If you go to the "Why Some Prefer Adult Sites" thread where Monkey should have put her post instead of starting off a new thread on the same subject you will see that nobody is blaming ALL children. No matter what your own kids are like you have to admit that there are some right little horrors out there with parents to match who spoil it for others. If you haven't seen or experienced them take off your rose tinted spectacles and get into the real world.

Hi Chris

I agree with you,I have seen little brats many a time,not just caravaninng but days out with my kids etc... Of course I am in the real world and I know that a SMALL amount of kids ruin it for the others,I understand all that,its the comment about Ann dreading someone with a new car and van siting next to her that I didnt understand,we are not rich just work really hard(like you all) and therefore my children are taught this and that they must respect what we have as a privelege,I most certainly do not look down on anyone who has something slightly older than my outfit,in fact as I have said before my van is entry level,low spec,the van next door to me that might be years older but a lot higher spec is probably worth more in value than mine that is quite new,Ann I repeat explain or we'll just put it down as jealousy !

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Hi Chris

I agree with you,I have seen little brats many a time,not just caravaninng but days out with my kids etc... Of course I am in the real world and I know that a SMALL amount of kids ruin it for the others,I understand all that,its the comment about Ann dreading someone with a new car and van siting next to her that I didnt understand,we are not rich just work really hard(like you all) and therefore my children are taught this and that they must respect what we have as a privelege,I most certainly do not look down on anyone who has something slightly older than my outfit,in fact as I have said before my van is entry level,low spec,the van next door to me that might be years older but a lot higher spec is probably worth more in value than mine that is quite new,Ann I repeat explain or we'll just put it down as jealousy !

I agree Tina, I couldn't see the point either, thats why I have refused to be drawn into it. If I see unruly kids the last thing I look for is what kind of van they are in.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I refuse to get into some childish and pointlessd ebate about whether this thread should have/have not been started. I only have an attitude when dealing with half wits like you.

And for the record my children do not have tantrums - I do not mind you passing judgement on me - be it all wrong - but NEVER bring my children into it - UNDERSTAND?

Nobody has mentioned YOUR children Monkey but by your attitude in this thread and previous ones I am building up a mental picture of what they ARE like. See Monkey, I take your threats lightly.

 

[ollybbc_5080512]

Hi,

We're doing a documentary for BBC2 about 'childfree' people. One of the issues we'll consider is the pros and cons of children in various lcoations - restaurants, art galleries, campsites etc. Given the above debate, it would be great if a couple of you - preferably Lord Braykewinde and Monkey, given that you two seem to be the most oustpoken - would be interested in meeting in a campsite somewhere with our presenter to talk about the way you see it. We'd have to do this really soon though, so I'd really appreciate it if you could reply to this as soon as possible if you're even vaguely tempted...

Thanks,

Olly

 

[Pete4]

Don't give this person your personal email adress (as requested on another thread).

It's a hoax to get your personal details, the BBC would have at least a proper email address and a web page dedicated to entering details in securely.

Regards

Pete

 

[paul.renshaw@bt.com]

What always amazes me is that everyone says my kids are well behaved, the amount of times i have spoke to someone on a site who has told me this and i have then asked what was they doing at such and such a time. Funny they never know because they were sat outside their van sunbathing or drinking, so how do you know then? I think all kids have the potential to miss behave it's just more often than not the parents never get to know. So can we let the unruly kids issue stop, most of us have most likely done the same as the kids now but we seem to have selective memory. Kids do miss behave maybe it's time we accepted this and stop kidding ourselves it's only someone else's.

 

[Daventura]

Come on Kanga, time to bring in some grown up conversation!!