I'm pleased you agree with me, what also pleases me is that you won't be using any CCC sites. I can continue to enjoy using them safe in the knowledge that I won't be pitched next to you and your opinions.
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Simon et al
Some really good posts and a nice debate for once.
There is several issues the C & CC seam to have created firstly now the main holidays are over they continue to persist with an unpopular policy. A policy which I can understand if the sites were full all of the time but in late September I think a different course is needed.
Secondly I understand that not all sites have pairs of wardens so the warden couple do need a time in which to clean the site and facilities even a well drilled team probably need at least one hour to achieve a good finish.
As a CC member I don't have this policy forced on me but I realise its contentious may be the CC & C would have been better to ask people not to turn up before 12.00 or risk a closed gate. I arrived at one CC site last year and could believe it when a "customer" in front of me verbally abused the staff because the warden had taken a one hour lunch break.
These people haven't heard of H & S legislation.
Monkeys Husband
Some really good posts and a nice debate for once.
There is several issues the C & CC seam to have created firstly now the main holidays are over they continue to persist with an unpopular policy. A policy which I can understand if the sites were full all of the time but in late September I think a different course is needed.
Secondly I understand that not all sites have pairs of wardens so the warden couple do need a time in which to clean the site and facilities even a well drilled team probably need at least one hour to achieve a good finish.
As a CC member I don't have this policy forced on me but I realise its contentious may be the CC & C would have been better to ask people not to turn up before 12.00 or risk a closed gate. I arrived at one CC site last year and could believe it when a "customer" in front of me verbally abused the staff because the warden had taken a one hour lunch break.
These people haven't heard of H & S legislation.
Monkeys Husband
Simon, Cliff
The situation I was referring to was the arrival at site at 11.55 a.m. as happened to us and two units immediately in front of us, not those who expected to arrive at 10.30 which most people would consider to be unreasonable. It is not always possible to guage exactly how long a journey might take especially when visiting somewhere new, and it is the INFLEXIBILITY that most people are complaining about.
The situation I was referring to was the arrival at site at 11.55 a.m. as happened to us and two units immediately in front of us, not those who expected to arrive at 10.30 which most people would consider to be unreasonable. It is not always possible to guage exactly how long a journey might take especially when visiting somewhere new, and it is the INFLEXIBILITY that most people are complaining about.
Exactly Chrissie, the wardens not using common sense.Simon, Cliff
The situation I was referring to was the arrival at site at 11.55 a.m. as happened to us and two units immediately in front of us, not those who expected to arrive at 10.30 which most people would consider to be unreasonable. It is not always possible to guage exactly how long a journey might take especially when visiting somewhere new, and it is the INFLEXIBILITY that most people are complaining about.
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People obviously have a variety of opinions on this topic, and that is as it should be. I think everyone is agreed that it is a fact of life with C&CC sites and therefore it is a matter of personal choice as to to whether one is willing to accept it as part of the package of conditions for staying on these sites, or not.
However, I would suggest that blaming the wardens for implementing the rules of the Company they are employed by, is not really appropriate. They have no choice in the matter as it is a condition of their employment. If they were to 'bend' the rules, as suggested, then sooner or later some other member would probably report them for doing exactly that. Also I suspect they have a centralised computer booking system with an internal clock. As soon as they enter the booking details the computer will flag up the costs, and any penalties involved. They cannot overide this.
However, I would suggest that blaming the wardens for implementing the rules of the Company they are employed by, is not really appropriate. They have no choice in the matter as it is a condition of their employment. If they were to 'bend' the rules, as suggested, then sooner or later some other member would probably report them for doing exactly that. Also I suspect they have a centralised computer booking system with an internal clock. As soon as they enter the booking details the computer will flag up the costs, and any penalties involved. They cannot overide this.
Whoa, there is certainly a lot of opinions about this subject, we have been to lots of sites always trying to maintain our time to the around noon arrival time, last year alone we did 13 sites in a row on a long holiday, not once did we get zinged for a early arrival fine, if we had we would have paid it or waited on the outskirts, the wardens aren't there on holiday, they have early starts, have to clean up after all the mucky campers, make everyone happy who comes along, and try to be friendly and congenital. well here's to em. Have you ever noticed there are a lot of people out there who are the exceptions to the rules, and the rules are made for everyone, to help make things go easier. It's like going to the grocery store, ever watch people cruise around for hours shopping but when its time to check out they get impatient when queing and want the cashier to hurry. Well if you go to private sites, they have quidelines for people coming in also, and if they aren't met, then you won't be asked back or if you try to book again, they are suddenly full. Read the books, follow the recommended guide lines and all is usually well.
Quote - "we have been to lots of sites always trying to maintain our time to the around noon arrival time, last year alone we did 13 sites in a row on a long holiday, not once did we get zinged for a early arrival fine, if we had we would have paid it or waited on the outskirts"
L, you did not state if ALL of the 13 sites you visited were C&CC sites. If so you were extremely lucky but from what I know of that club and I doubt if they were. The topic was on C&CC sites early arrival fee. I don't know of any other sites, whether C.C. or private that charge this. From your text it was obvious that you did arrive before 12 at some of those sites so hence you weren't "zinged" for it which gives credence to others postings that its not easy to judge your arrival time.I'm not saying I agree with the original poster who says he gets there at 8.30ish because I believe that to be wrong but to arrive at 11.40am and to be told to leave the site if I didnt wish to pay it after explaining I had no indicators beggars belief, and no, they hadn't started to book me into some "centralised computer booking system" as suggested by Scotch Lad else I wouldn't have been given the option of leaving the site. Maybe it was the warden at Winchcombe because Ian in a post earlier also had problems there and when I originally posted about my experiences another forum member had had problems there. At the end of the day though, that warden represents that club and should as they are the first people you meet should give a good impression. They should also realise its the members who pay their salary and they are there for us and not us there for them. Thankfully I have only experienced one grumpy C.C. warden and that wasn't because he was a wannabe Hitler with no brain, just because it was an effort for him to say "good morning".
L, you did not state if ALL of the 13 sites you visited were C&CC sites. If so you were extremely lucky but from what I know of that club and I doubt if they were. The topic was on C&CC sites early arrival fee. I don't know of any other sites, whether C.C. or private that charge this. From your text it was obvious that you did arrive before 12 at some of those sites so hence you weren't "zinged" for it which gives credence to others postings that its not easy to judge your arrival time.I'm not saying I agree with the original poster who says he gets there at 8.30ish because I believe that to be wrong but to arrive at 11.40am and to be told to leave the site if I didnt wish to pay it after explaining I had no indicators beggars belief, and no, they hadn't started to book me into some "centralised computer booking system" as suggested by Scotch Lad else I wouldn't have been given the option of leaving the site. Maybe it was the warden at Winchcombe because Ian in a post earlier also had problems there and when I originally posted about my experiences another forum member had had problems there. At the end of the day though, that warden represents that club and should as they are the first people you meet should give a good impression. They should also realise its the members who pay their salary and they are there for us and not us there for them. Thankfully I have only experienced one grumpy C.C. warden and that wasn't because he was a wannabe Hitler with no brain, just because it was an effort for him to say "good morning".
Reading through these messages I have say that paying a fiver to arrive before noon is perfectly ok in my book.
If you book into a hotel you are told that earliest check in is normally 2pm and you must vacate the room by 11am (majority of hotels I've stayed in).
Turning up at a site at 8.30am in the morning is fairly unreasonable I think considering that the previous outfit has to pack up and leave and the pitch checked by the wardens etc. What if everyone turned up early?
If you don't like paying the fiver then why not book your pitch a day earlier, pay for it over the phone, tell the site you won't be arriving until the next morning and everything will be tickety boo!
Stop whinging and whining and start to play fair.
All the best
Mark
If you book into a hotel you are told that earliest check in is normally 2pm and you must vacate the room by 11am (majority of hotels I've stayed in).
Turning up at a site at 8.30am in the morning is fairly unreasonable I think considering that the previous outfit has to pack up and leave and the pitch checked by the wardens etc. What if everyone turned up early?
If you don't like paying the fiver then why not book your pitch a day earlier, pay for it over the phone, tell the site you won't be arriving until the next morning and everything will be tickety boo!
Stop whinging and whining and start to play fair.
All the best
Mark
I have never experienced a problem but we do tend to use CL's rather than large campsites and we also ring before to confirm and tell the CL owner what time we will be arriving.
Having just hired a cottage in Wales for a week - I never expected to be able to arrive before midafternoon and expected to be out by mid morning.
Surely the same applies here?
If everyone leaving hung on to 5pm what would the arrival do?
Similarly if every one arriving all expected to be able to get on their pitch by 0900hrs what would those packing up have to do?
The rule seems to be a sensible approach to a problem that we are all going to see a lot more off - lack of pitches due to the increasing popularity of caravaning.
Having just hired a cottage in Wales for a week - I never expected to be able to arrive before midafternoon and expected to be out by mid morning.
Surely the same applies here?
If everyone leaving hung on to 5pm what would the arrival do?
Similarly if every one arriving all expected to be able to get on their pitch by 0900hrs what would those packing up have to do?
The rule seems to be a sensible approach to a problem that we are all going to see a lot more off - lack of pitches due to the increasing popularity of caravaning.
Hooray for the early arrival fee.
I'm sure we've all been on sites during the morning, say 10.30am pottering around getting packed up in the knowledge that we don't have to be off until midday when, and I just hate this, the early arrival brigade turning up huffing, puffing and tutting because there are no empty pitches, or the pitch they want isn't empty. That really gets me going and I make sure I stay until the very last minute, usually squeezing in a quick cup of tea before hitching up. I've paid for that pitch until noon so if I want, I'm going to use it until noon. If the pitch is not available until 12noon then don't turn up until 12noon otherwise pay the
If the check in time is 12pm then anytime before that time is an early arrival.Simon, Cliff
The situation I was referring to was the arrival at site at 11.55 a.m. as happened to us and two units immediately in front of us, not those who expected to arrive at 10.30 which most people would consider to be unreasonable. It is not always possible to guage exactly how long a journey might take especially when visiting somewhere new, and it is the INFLEXIBILITY that most people are complaining about.
If you stole a penny from a bank would you expect to be let off? No, theft is theft right?
I asked this question on an other forum with regards to the same topic.
How many people have e-mailed the CC or the C&CC to state they disagree with the policy ???. If you just moan on here nothing will be achieved. You could contact your local area commander ( CC ) and ask them to put your views. Albeit moan on here but please contact YOUR club to state your views
Val & Frank
How many people have e-mailed the CC or the C&CC to state they disagree with the policy ???. If you just moan on here nothing will be achieved. You could contact your local area commander ( CC ) and ask them to put your views. Albeit moan on here but please contact YOUR club to state your views
Val & Frank
Frank this topic doesn't apply to the Caravan Club. They have no early arrival fee.I asked this question on an other forum with regards to the same topic.
How many people have e-mailed the CC or the C&CC to state they disagree with the policy ???. If you just moan on here nothing will be achieved. You could contact your local area commander ( CC ) and ask them to put your views. Albeit moan on here but please contact YOUR club to state your views
Val & Frank
i dont agree with the early arrival charge if the pitch is vacant then why shouldnt you go on itif its not thats to bad go and have a brew and come back later.
but something i think sites should do especially in cornwall is have somewhere you can park if you get there early a holding field or something
when we went to hayle they had one and travelling through the night is easier when going down that way so wed arrive at 6-7am park in the holding field and have a sleep get camp cooker out have a sausage butty then at 10 or whenever the pitch became free the warden comes over and gives you a shout
we found it great doing it this way i wish all sites did this
but something i think sites should do especially in cornwall is have somewhere you can park if you get there early a holding field or something
when we went to hayle they had one and travelling through the night is easier when going down that way so wed arrive at 6-7am park in the holding field and have a sleep get camp cooker out have a sausage butty then at 10 or whenever the pitch became free the warden comes over and gives you a shout
we found it great doing it this way i wish all sites did this
MorningFrank this topic doesn't apply to the Caravan Club. They have no early arrival fee.
I wasn't just thinking of the early arrival fee. In general how many times do members contact their respective clubs over things they feel upset over ?? Rather than just leaving with the clubs management not knowing why they left.
Val & Frank
The point is that you can arrive early at an hotel and you will not get finedReading through these messages I have say that paying a fiver to arrive before noon is perfectly ok in my book.
If you book into a hotel you are told that earliest check in is normally 2pm and you must vacate the room by 11am (majority of hotels I've stayed in).
Turning up at a site at 8.30am in the morning is fairly unreasonable I think considering that the previous outfit has to pack up and leave and the pitch checked by the wardens etc. What if everyone turned up early?
If you don't like paying the fiver then why not book your pitch a day earlier, pay for it over the phone, tell the site you won't be arriving until the next morning and everything will be tickety boo!
Stop whinging and whining and start to play fair.
All the best
Mark
If you arrive early at a hotel you do not have to pay a fine and as a matter of fact they probably welcome you but you cannot occupy the room until 12pm.
If you arrive early at a C & CC they fine you even though you are not occupying a pitch. Obviously it is because your repsence on theri forecourt has annoyed them.
Anyway I suppose it is up to the individual if they want to pay a fine thus endorsing this policy.
What will happen if you refuse to pay the fine? What happens if you are not a member if the C & CC?
If you arrive early at a C & CC they fine you even though you are not occupying a pitch. Obviously it is because your repsence on theri forecourt has annoyed them.
Anyway I suppose it is up to the individual if they want to pay a fine thus endorsing this policy.
What will happen if you refuse to pay the fine? What happens if you are not a member if the C & CC?
You would only pay the extra charge if you were checked in before 12.00 noon and allocated a pitch, so there is no question of paying it without getting a pitch. I'm not a great fan of the system, but the rule is quite clear, no one is tricked into paying it.
The more I see of it the more it seems like a sensible attempt to control congestion.
Oh my God!!!! - I have just become the advocate of a congestion charge.
Oh my God!!!! - I have just become the advocate of a congestion charge.
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