Hi I want to spend upto £6000 on a 4x4 but what to go for , it needs to tow 2 ton and be deisel,have 4 doors and a good size boot and be manual.any ideas
ú6000 and in need of a 4x4
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Moth,
I had a look at Kia sorento but the oldest are about 7,500 quid.
But the Kia Sedona manual has a kerb weight of 2,168 Kg max tow of 2,000Kg and a 2003/4 model comes in your price, I know it`s not a 4x4 but it`s one hell of a big tug.
What are you towing thats 2,000? (horses, cattle trailer?)
Tony A.
I had a look at Kia sorento but the oldest are about 7,500 quid.
But the Kia Sedona manual has a kerb weight of 2,168 Kg max tow of 2,000Kg and a 2003/4 model comes in your price, I know it`s not a 4x4 but it`s one hell of a big tug.
What are you towing thats 2,000? (horses, cattle trailer?)
Tony A.
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we are looking to change the van too, and it will weigh 1500-1700 kg.Moth,
I had a look at Kia sorento but the oldest are about 7,500 quid.
But the Kia Sedona manual has a kerb weight of 2,168 Kg max tow of 2,000Kg and a 2003/4 model comes in your price, I know it`s not a 4x4 but it`s one hell of a big tug.
What are you towing thats 2,000? (horses, cattle trailer?)
Tony A.
But at the mo i tow at max weight, which works fine but its nice not to have to worry.
- Mar 14, 2005
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I realise that it is not a four door but go back one page and take a look at the comments regarding the Daihatsu Fourtrack. They were made up to approx 2003 and are a damn good tow car. I have a 1998 model and apart from normal service, have only changed the tyres and exhaust once. They will tow up to 3,5 tonnes. You should get one for approx.
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Why not look for something a little older. There are plenty of pre-Xreg cars out there which are reliable, for less money, with the added bonus of not paying huge road tax. We bought a 1997 P- Reg Maverick eighteen months ago, for
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I think that some of the reviews you read maybe a bit unfai, people are quite quick to report falts on cars but not so many people reveiw the good ones.
i have been reading the hyanda santa fe reveiws, and like the look of them.reviews read well. anybody tow with onewhats the mpg ect.
Many thanks to you all for your help and sudjetions, please keep them coming in.
i have been reading the hyanda santa fe reveiws, and like the look of them.reviews read well. anybody tow with onewhats the mpg ect.
Many thanks to you all for your help and sudjetions, please keep them coming in.
Hi Moth,
The Isuzu Trooper has a good reputation for robustness, and when in the mid 90's Opel / Vauxhall decided to dip their toe in the European 4x4 market - they flipped off the Isuzu badge from the Trooper and called it a Monterey (GM own Opel, Vauxhall and Isuzu - and others)
Not only that but Vauxhall filled it with extra options, reduced the price - so there was a considerable price and trim advantage in favour of the Monterey - and still the Isuzu out-sold it in the UK.
So - a 4x4 that will be around 10 years old - with a vocal 3.1 litre diesel engine - and starting prices around
The Isuzu Trooper has a good reputation for robustness, and when in the mid 90's Opel / Vauxhall decided to dip their toe in the European 4x4 market - they flipped off the Isuzu badge from the Trooper and called it a Monterey (GM own Opel, Vauxhall and Isuzu - and others)
Not only that but Vauxhall filled it with extra options, reduced the price - so there was a considerable price and trim advantage in favour of the Monterey - and still the Isuzu out-sold it in the UK.
So - a 4x4 that will be around 10 years old - with a vocal 3.1 litre diesel engine - and starting prices around
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Hi Moth
We're in the same position,looking for a 4x4 with a similar budget, changing from the Skoda estate we have now. We will look for a Discovery as we loved the previous one we had. That was a K reg and it gave us no trouble, no computers on board to go wrong at the time that was made!! We are looking towards a long Europe trip and although the Skoda tows OK the thing that made our minds up was getting stuck in a muddy field at the local show last weekend, NO van on the back.Will probably get one around Y or 01 reg around that price.
Carole
We're in the same position,looking for a 4x4 with a similar budget, changing from the Skoda estate we have now. We will look for a Discovery as we loved the previous one we had. That was a K reg and it gave us no trouble, no computers on board to go wrong at the time that was made!! We are looking towards a long Europe trip and although the Skoda tows OK the thing that made our minds up was getting stuck in a muddy field at the local show last weekend, NO van on the back.Will probably get one around Y or 01 reg around that price.
Carole
If you go for Isuzu 3.0L Diesel (I think) check that any recalls have been done,
I am not sure of the years but certainly between R and W I know two people with those age vehicles one had a new engine and the other had the mods done
They have had recalls on them as they can rev themselves to oblivion, it has cost Isuzu shed loads as some vehicles have had new engines. Check out Isuzu Trooper Owners Club (UK) for info.
I am not sure of the years but certainly between R and W I know two people with those age vehicles one had a new engine and the other had the mods done
They have had recalls on them as they can rev themselves to oblivion, it has cost Isuzu shed loads as some vehicles have had new engines. Check out Isuzu Trooper Owners Club (UK) for info.
Personally I'd take a long hard look at what you actually need. Most 4X4's don't actually have much boot space as a five seater, go to seven and there's none.
I'd be more inclined to go and look at a diesel Kia Sedona. They are a spacious seven seater with sliding side doors which are handy at the supermarket and still have boot space with all seats in use. They are good to tow 2000Kgs and have a punchy 2.9Ltr diesel engine.
I followed a Discovery towing a large single axle van yesterday and it was all over the road swaying. Then we passed a Sedona on the M50 just before Jcn2 where the road surface is diabolical butthat had no affect on the stable tow of the Sedona.
You certainly would get far more vehicle and in better condition for your 6K with a sedona then any 4X4.
Steve L.
I'd be more inclined to go and look at a diesel Kia Sedona. They are a spacious seven seater with sliding side doors which are handy at the supermarket and still have boot space with all seats in use. They are good to tow 2000Kgs and have a punchy 2.9Ltr diesel engine.
I followed a Discovery towing a large single axle van yesterday and it was all over the road swaying. Then we passed a Sedona on the M50 just before Jcn2 where the road surface is diabolical butthat had no affect on the stable tow of the Sedona.
You certainly would get far more vehicle and in better condition for your 6K with a sedona then any 4X4.
Steve L.
- May 12, 2006
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Steve,
"I followed a Discovery towing a large single axle van yesterday and it was all over the road swaying. Then we passed a Sedona on the M50 just before Jcn2 where the road surface is diabolical butthat had no affect on the stable tow of the Sedona.
You certainly would get far more vehicle and in better condition for your 6K with a sedona then any 4X4.
Very very Subjective !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank & Val
"I followed a Discovery towing a large single axle van yesterday and it was all over the road swaying. Then we passed a Sedona on the M50 just before Jcn2 where the road surface is diabolical butthat had no affect on the stable tow of the Sedona.
You certainly would get far more vehicle and in better condition for your 6K with a sedona then any 4X4.
Very very Subjective !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank & Val
To be frank, Frank.
I don't care if you think my comment was subjective.
It was fact.
The disco's have been quite popular for towing but they do suffer badly with wallowing and stability unless you uprate the suspension at considerable cost.
The Sedona has a longer wheel base which inherantly leads to better trailer control.
I've driven most vehicles from a 38ton artic down to a three wheeler and driven all terrain vehicles from a Unimog to a Suzuki 410, also I've driven 4X4 6X6 and 8X8 drive trains and their lesser drive combo's.
All I aim to do is offer my advice based on the requirements of the customer and as I neither own or need to own either of the vehicles mentioned but have had oportunity to drive both, a view from the side lines os what I offered.
I personally tow our twin axle van witha 1998 Laguna 2Ltr 8 valve petrol estate car, which offers us upto 48Mpg solo, 30 Mpg towing and can carry two labradors and our family in comfort. I chose the Renault brand quite a few years ago and have not looked back as I have never had to spend more than
I don't care if you think my comment was subjective.
It was fact.
The disco's have been quite popular for towing but they do suffer badly with wallowing and stability unless you uprate the suspension at considerable cost.
The Sedona has a longer wheel base which inherantly leads to better trailer control.
I've driven most vehicles from a 38ton artic down to a three wheeler and driven all terrain vehicles from a Unimog to a Suzuki 410, also I've driven 4X4 6X6 and 8X8 drive trains and their lesser drive combo's.
All I aim to do is offer my advice based on the requirements of the customer and as I neither own or need to own either of the vehicles mentioned but have had oportunity to drive both, a view from the side lines os what I offered.
I personally tow our twin axle van witha 1998 Laguna 2Ltr 8 valve petrol estate car, which offers us upto 48Mpg solo, 30 Mpg towing and can carry two labradors and our family in comfort. I chose the Renault brand quite a few years ago and have not looked back as I have never had to spend more than
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Here we go another "expert".
I don't care if you think my comment was subjective.
It was fact. And the Facts maybe speaking something totally different to you than they do to me !!! It was a Subjective comment and That Is A Fact. The disco can't come out on top in some very searching surveys and then be put down by someone following in a Laguna. Steve I would suggest you keep concentrating on the road ahead and not what's pulling what.
Now it won't get anymore frank than that.
Frank
I don't care if you think my comment was subjective.
It was fact. And the Facts maybe speaking something totally different to you than they do to me !!! It was a Subjective comment and That Is A Fact. The disco can't come out on top in some very searching surveys and then be put down by someone following in a Laguna. Steve I would suggest you keep concentrating on the road ahead and not what's pulling what.
Now it won't get anymore frank than that.
Frank
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Getting back to the subject!
I test drove a Santa fe 2lt td yesterday on a o2 plate ,it wat over priced at 8 k. by about 2k with millage ajustment. it was quite a good drive with a punchy engine , and a very good spec, actal max tow is just nder 1900 kg, looking forward in trying other 4x4's before making my mide up. the reviews on the disco do say that it sways on corners.
cheers everyone for your help please keep it coming.
Happy caravaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I test drove a Santa fe 2lt td yesterday on a o2 plate ,it wat over priced at 8 k. by about 2k with millage ajustment. it was quite a good drive with a punchy engine , and a very good spec, actal max tow is just nder 1900 kg, looking forward in trying other 4x4's before making my mide up. the reviews on the disco do say that it sways on corners.
cheers everyone for your help please keep it coming.
Happy caravaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Aug 15, 2007
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i bought a santa fe 3 weeks ago only towed twice with it up to now pulls the van very well. done just over 1000 miles and fuel consumption solo is 38 mpg.the towing figure back from tavistock to bristol dropped this tankful to 32 mpg
bill
bill
Moth,
Hi again, glad you were able to bring us back to the subject of your requirements!
You obviously have a liking for the Santa Fe, they are attractive, particularly on price and spec grounds I aggree but you did say you needed a two tonne towing capacity. Tugging two tonnes around with a two litre engine and a kerbweight of around 1.8t is frankly not feasable on safety grounds or the vehicles ability to actually do the job practically.
One aspect the posting advocates of 100% towing never touch on is the braking system of a car - I always imagine the worst case scenario of something like a Vectra, Mondeo or Galaxy loaded up to the full train weight and having to do an emergancy stop from 60 mph on a downhill motorway stretch or braking hard for 10 miles down the French Alps in mid summer - forget modern technology because it won't save you in these conditions. Even with a hefty safety factor added I would not trust brakes to cope with any more than a fully loaded car on it's own in an emergancy.
The point of a large car to tow a large van is thus even more valid as something like a Disco or a Landcruiser actually has a towing a load of 3.5 tonnes written in to it's design spec. When you tow only two tons, the transmission, suspension and steering are working well within their design envelope. Gearbox oilcoolers are standard fit as are engine oilcoolers, springs and axles are heavy duty and the all important brakes are powerful enough to cope with loads far greater than you will ever need.
If you really need to tow 2 tonnes then In my opinion only a large 4x4 is suitable - most SUV's and mid size offroaders will be a compromise at best and usafe in extreme situations - do you want to risk you and yours, I don't think so?!
Hi again, glad you were able to bring us back to the subject of your requirements!
You obviously have a liking for the Santa Fe, they are attractive, particularly on price and spec grounds I aggree but you did say you needed a two tonne towing capacity. Tugging two tonnes around with a two litre engine and a kerbweight of around 1.8t is frankly not feasable on safety grounds or the vehicles ability to actually do the job practically.
One aspect the posting advocates of 100% towing never touch on is the braking system of a car - I always imagine the worst case scenario of something like a Vectra, Mondeo or Galaxy loaded up to the full train weight and having to do an emergancy stop from 60 mph on a downhill motorway stretch or braking hard for 10 miles down the French Alps in mid summer - forget modern technology because it won't save you in these conditions. Even with a hefty safety factor added I would not trust brakes to cope with any more than a fully loaded car on it's own in an emergancy.
The point of a large car to tow a large van is thus even more valid as something like a Disco or a Landcruiser actually has a towing a load of 3.5 tonnes written in to it's design spec. When you tow only two tons, the transmission, suspension and steering are working well within their design envelope. Gearbox oilcoolers are standard fit as are engine oilcoolers, springs and axles are heavy duty and the all important brakes are powerful enough to cope with loads far greater than you will ever need.
If you really need to tow 2 tonnes then In my opinion only a large 4x4 is suitable - most SUV's and mid size offroaders will be a compromise at best and usafe in extreme situations - do you want to risk you and yours, I don't think so?!
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it only needs to tow 1500kg, if we buy the van we want, i tow to 100% at the mo, so alway worried about poading to much.Moth,
Hi again, glad you were able to bring us back to the subject of your requirements!
You obviously have a liking for the Santa Fe, they are attractive, particularly on price and spec grounds I aggree but you did say you needed a two tonne towing capacity. Tugging two tonnes around with a two litre engine and a kerbweight of around 1.8t is frankly not feasable on safety grounds or the vehicles ability to actually do the job practically.
One aspect the posting advocates of 100% towing never touch on is the braking system of a car - I always imagine the worst case scenario of something like a Vectra, Mondeo or Galaxy loaded up to the full train weight and having to do an emergancy stop from 60 mph on a downhill motorway stretch or braking hard for 10 miles down the French Alps in mid summer - forget modern technology because it won't save you in these conditions. Even with a hefty safety factor added I would not trust brakes to cope with any more than a fully loaded car on it's own in an emergancy.
The point of a large car to tow a large van is thus even more valid as something like a Disco or a Landcruiser actually has a towing a load of 3.5 tonnes written in to it's design spec. When you tow only two tons, the transmission, suspension and steering are working well within their design envelope. Gearbox oilcoolers are standard fit as are engine oilcoolers, springs and axles are heavy duty and the all important brakes are powerful enough to cope with loads far greater than you will ever need.
If you really need to tow 2 tonnes then In my opinion only a large 4x4 is suitable - most SUV's and mid size offroaders will be a compromise at best and usafe in extreme situations - do you want to risk you and yours, I don't think so?!
If i have a 500kg leeway i wont need to worry. and can load as much into van as i like.
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Looks like a smart deal Clive, did she get 12 months warranty ??
Jeeps second hand seem very good value even here in Aberdeen, and dealers around here are not renowned for good deals !!
Val & Frank
Jeeps second hand seem very good value even here in Aberdeen, and dealers around here are not renowned for good deals !!
Val & Frank
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