Hi again Steve, just to clarify, its deisel not petrol. Also, I dont mean to put you off 4x4s, you just have to have a reason to run one these days. I tow 28ft twin axle bailey and the weight means it needs a heavy 4x4 to tow it. If I had a lighter van I wouldnt run a large 4x4, but I like the space in the large van for the family so wouldnt sacrifice it - like I said I will make cutbacks elsewhere to keep the van and the large 4x4 - eg cancelled Sky subscription. Its basically down to personal choice, but if you dont need large 4x4 to tow a van you are happy with dont buy one. And finally we only do about 10 miles on the daily commute etc so can stand (at the moment) the costs.