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We would buy another older Yaris with a full service history, but without these so called safety systems.
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The Kia Picanto is a good buy for about the same size - has that lovely 7 year warranty. We had a 2015 model and my SIL now has a 2021 version.
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Because it's not proportionate to mileage-driven and economy (like fuel duty is today). With fuel duty, the more you drive the more you pay, AND the less efficient the more you pay.
£300 for a full EV is fine if you are targeting 10,000 miles a year. But if you only do 2000, it's a massive hike.
We have 3 EVs in the house hold - one big one that does about 12 to 15K a year, and two small ones, both much lighter and more efficient, that do that 2000 mile number.
PHEVs are hard to deal with because of the mix of fuel use. My son charges his every night, and gets about 20 to 25 miles range from it, commuting, so about 4000 miles. Any additional mileage on that, he is already paying duty.
Plain hybrids are trying to be efficient (better MPG) and pay all their mileage in VED. If you are going to charge them more, you have to raise take for all non-plug in vehicles.
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Steady on, I already pay £195 pa VED and the taxes levied on petrol. So I’m not getting any low VAT and low cost electric. My electric is self generated and recoups energy that would otherwise be wasted.
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Absolutely this! If you have the possibility of zero cost generation, there is no VAT (or cost) to the miles at all
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The other issue is that you get a full hybrid and you also get a mild hybrid. Many people bought hybrids due to the lower VED and if additional taxes were applied retrospectively, it would be political suicide. It probably will only be applied to all types of hybrids sold new as from a date in the future i.e. December 2025. Regarding EVs being taxed that has always been on the books so that is open season to higher VED. Pity they don't spend that money improving the roads by fixing potholes!
Either way it is going to be a very interesting budget with all of us being penalised one way or the other even if you only walk everywhere!
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Why will it take years to implement it? You can bet the government has the roll out planned if indeed such a proposal is in the budget.
As for cars that are SORN'd, they are off the road so no additional milage and don't pay tax anyway, so no change necessary.
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Simple. There is no money to set up such a system! If you read my post correctly, I was referring to a vehicle being SORN'ed half way through the period which could 3, 6 or 12 months. If you have paid in advance, getting a refund will be an issue as how will you prove the mileage etc.
It was only an opening question, at the end of the day Racheal in Accounts will do as she likes regardless of the consequences. Could they not put the charge on public charging points the same way they collect tax revenue at the fuel pumps ?
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I’m sure that with smart electronics that’s quite feasible, and probably as domestic chargers become smarter it could differentiate between what is used to charge the car as opposed to other domestic consumption. Wait and see eh?
I wonder what the neighbours would think if I went to see them and said could I charge my car while we have dinner as its getting low. Not many of them hold spare cans of deisel or petrol. Just a thought
But lets face it - other countries manage to do this so why not here.
But lets face it - other countries manage to do this so why not here.
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However with EVs and Plug in hybrids you can use a normal domestic outlet to charge the car. Takes longer, but does the job. At the end of the day, I would imagine accessing the car's ECU etc and clocking the car would be relatively easy. A simple flat rate for EVs and hybrids i.e. £195 per annum is easier and cheaper to manage.
Octopus energy are pushing this V2G using a BYD EV vehicle, if V2G is the way forward to balance the grid, what happens then.
Fortunately my Podpoint EV charger and Suzuki Across are dumb a bit like me, so I should be ok for a while.
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The new Leaf does that too. I guess there’s a running export import account so that if on balance more is used by the car than it exports the owner is billed. Horror of horrors keeping track of that lot. Perhaps a flat fee per annum and then perhaps pay buy the mile when real time road pricing is feasible. Wonder what other countries do?
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That’s only practical if your electric miles aren’t very many. Bit like fitting a 10 litre fuel tank. But flat rate feed would be a more practicable option at the current (sic) time.
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To be honest 90% of our journey are in EV mode towing is the only time we use petrol, I have been looking at all the press articles on line, it all a bit 'hairy fairy' just really not thought out, I'm with Buckman on this one Racheal in Accounts she will just up the VED on EV and PHEV, simple and no refunds.
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