hi all im currently looking to buy an xtrail the models im looking at are 2.2 diesel 6 speed gear box but not sure on what bhp is better the 136 or 114 for towing our 1450kg amara and fuel wise whats the differance between the two
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advice on nissan xtrail
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We had a Renault Scenic and Citroen Picasso and I was very pleased with the improved performance from the engines after I had them chipped
We then got the first model XT when it was launched and I felt no need at all to have it chipped as the 114 bhp towed well
Nissan then increased it to 136bhp but I personally felt it was OK before
It depends on driving style and willingness to change down on hills really
We then had 2 more Xts old shape and one new shape 2 litre all diesels
They were all excellent towcars
As Roger says the autos have towing limits as against the 6 speed that you are looking at
The 6 speed is rated at 2200kg max tow by Nissan but the auto only 1350 kg and nose weight is reduced from 100kg to 75 kg
We then got the first model XT when it was launched and I felt no need at all to have it chipped as the 114 bhp towed well
Nissan then increased it to 136bhp but I personally felt it was OK before
It depends on driving style and willingness to change down on hills really
We then had 2 more Xts old shape and one new shape 2 litre all diesels
They were all excellent towcars
As Roger says the autos have towing limits as against the 6 speed that you are looking at
The 6 speed is rated at 2200kg max tow by Nissan but the auto only 1350 kg and nose weight is reduced from 100kg to 75 kg
I know this is an old posting, but would like to point out the XTs have a few faults, check for oil leaks particularly down the front of the engine this is a sure sign that the intercooler is leaking. they suffer badly from turbo failure and if that happens the engine will continue to run on its own engine oil and full rpm until the engine goes pop and you wont stop it by turning the ignition off or pulling the battery leads off, and just in case you think of stalling it, well impossible with an auto and potential gearbox / clutch damage with a manual, other problems include egr failures and boost sensors, i had my XT for 18 months a 2.2 dci 136, and i have to say it was the worst 4x4 i ever had, in that short time the intercooler cost £600, egr £400, boost sensor £60, and the turbo was on its way out when i got rid, they eat tyres and mine went through 2 batterys, oh and avoid supermarket fuel as the fuel filters dont like it, i wouldnt have another one and have now bought a vw passat tdi, just google xtrail problems and see what comes up, i have also got a mitsubishi shogun thats nearly 20 years old with nearly 200.000 miles on the clock that is more reliable, and will deffinately pull your house down.
You really were unlucky.johnandrew70 said:
First point, the 2003 xtrail had no intercooler leaks, in fact i don't think it even had one, nor did it surfer from turbo failure.
Inter coolers were fitted from the introduction of the 134 bhp version.
The early inter coolers were a crimped version, which leaked oil from the crank, on the lhs bottom front of the intercooler.
The replacement was a different design, not crimped, and didn't leak.
Turbo failures on some cars from 2004 resulted in a recall, this required the boost sensor changing, and in some cases a ECU remap.
It sounds to me like your car didn't have the sensor replaced?
I had a 2004 model for 4 years, and apart from the inter cooler being replaced in the first year, it was totally faultless, i also ran it totally on supermarket fuel.
I now run a T31 model with a Renault engine, that's just sailed through its test, and has been totally reliable.
Again run on super market fuel, I've actually had a best fuel consumption of 48mpg, computer reading, from a 171 bhp engine.
my XT was a 53 plate 136 suffered from intercooler leaks from front corners which meant oil ran down the front of the block on one side, and dripped onto the top radiator hose the other, the 136 was introduced in november 2003 the 136 was a 2.2dci motor and was nissans own unit not a renault engine as some believe, my vehicle had full nissan dealer history and looking at the history i found that it had 2 turbos in its 80k life with the second about to go according to an independant dealer, also invoices for an intercooler in that time, speaking to a diesel specialist i was told the Turbo on an XT 2.2 dci had life expectancy of 30k miles if lucky . my vehicle had all recalls etc and the new boost sensor was fitted ecu remap etc.
The OP bought a 112bhp version.
The faults you describe were on the 134bhp versions.
The revised intercooler didn't leak, sometimes a crimp version was fitted as a replacement which again leaked.
I was also told my Audi turbo would need a overall at 30K, it was still going strong at 40K when i sold it, methinks your expert, isn't very expert.
My son finished with the 2004 xtrail after two years ownership, so that was 4 with me, a total of six years, still on the same turbo.
Yes a know it was a Nissan engine on the T30, my reference was to the 173bhp Renault engine.
The faults you describe were on the 134bhp versions.
The revised intercooler didn't leak, sometimes a crimp version was fitted as a replacement which again leaked.
I was also told my Audi turbo would need a overall at 30K, it was still going strong at 40K when i sold it, methinks your expert, isn't very expert.
My son finished with the 2004 xtrail after two years ownership, so that was 4 with me, a total of six years, still on the same turbo.
Yes a know it was a Nissan engine on the T30, my reference was to the 173bhp Renault engine.
It comments on the early 112 bhp with Rattling timing chains caused by fracture of the timing chain guides inside the chain cover and the warranty extended for the turbo in 2009 ?
A quote from Honest John
"Reason for engine problems may well be that engine air filters are not routinely changed at services and, of course, on any diesel engine, they need to be. Failure of intercooler common. Large number of turbo, intercooler and general quality problems have led me to withdraw my recommendation of the car"
A quote from Honest John
"Reason for engine problems may well be that engine air filters are not routinely changed at services and, of course, on any diesel engine, they need to be. Failure of intercooler common. Large number of turbo, intercooler and general quality problems have led me to withdraw my recommendation of the car"
It is important to remember that bad new is good news as far as the likes of Honest John articals and other reporters are concerned, and while they may well highlight an issue with a model, that does not mean that every single one will suffer from the described failure, or it may not be as negative as it is made out.
I'm not sure what makes HJ opinions more reliable than other renown journalist, so the blind faith in in his ramblings over every one elses may not be justified.
I'm not sure what makes HJ opinions more reliable than other renown journalist, so the blind faith in in his ramblings over every one elses may not be justified.
all i was doing was to put my point accross afterall coachman was asking at buying an xtrail 2.2 and wanted to know what we thought of them. personely i wont touch one with a barge pole but thats my oppinion and that can be taken any way you all like, when all said and done we are suppose to help people on these forums,
it does seem strange how i had these problems with mine and some say on here how i must have just been unlucky yet the internet if full of people suffering the same thing. and i have actually met others with the same turbo/ intercooler problems, if these issues were sorted i would say its a great car,
its a good thing that sights like HJ exist as it gives some people an insight into the car before hand, i wish i looked before i bought mine.
it does seem strange how i had these problems with mine and some say on here how i must have just been unlucky yet the internet if full of people suffering the same thing. and i have actually met others with the same turbo/ intercooler problems, if these issues were sorted i would say its a great car,
its a good thing that sights like HJ exist as it gives some people an insight into the car before hand, i wish i looked before i bought mine.
Have a look at the Warranty Direct Reliability Index. For cars out of manufacturers warranty that will give a reasonable view of what the problems may be and costs to repair. It also enables you to see how one model fares against another. Parkers and What Car also have reviews of used cars which show general areas of weakness. But like alll of these things it's the buyers decision ultimately.
I don't think anyone is saying all T30 were trouble free, i use HJ myself, its a useful database.
He withdrew his recommendation for the xtrail after getting in his words hundreds of letters regarding blown turbos were received.
So you have to take that in context with the thousands of xtrails sold. He i believe also mentions that Nissan have extented the turbo cover to 5 years.
These early turbos needed to be allowed to cool after a long run, to prevent turbo bearing damage, I'm sure many owners never bothered.
John Watson who posts on this site, has had all variants of the xtrail, four in total, read his post earlier.
So like me others haven't had a turbo problem?
The 2001/3 engine did have the chain problem, and some a injector problem, black exhaust smoke was the result, and not much else.
If you look at Hj comments re the 2007-12 T31, you will note hes struggling to find problems, and mentions reinstating his recommendation.
Also ask yourself this, why hasn't the xtrail ever featured at the bottom of a reliability list?.
Regarding HJ comment about the filter not being changed, its still not changed, mine will be done on the M3 service, that's at 3 years.
So don't assume HJ is an expert he isn't, what he does is compile data from dissatisfied owners.
He withdrew his recommendation for the xtrail after getting in his words hundreds of letters regarding blown turbos were received.
So you have to take that in context with the thousands of xtrails sold. He i believe also mentions that Nissan have extented the turbo cover to 5 years.
These early turbos needed to be allowed to cool after a long run, to prevent turbo bearing damage, I'm sure many owners never bothered.
John Watson who posts on this site, has had all variants of the xtrail, four in total, read his post earlier.
So like me others haven't had a turbo problem?
The 2001/3 engine did have the chain problem, and some a injector problem, black exhaust smoke was the result, and not much else.
If you look at Hj comments re the 2007-12 T31, you will note hes struggling to find problems, and mentions reinstating his recommendation.
Also ask yourself this, why hasn't the xtrail ever featured at the bottom of a reliability list?.
Regarding HJ comment about the filter not being changed, its still not changed, mine will be done on the M3 service, that's at 3 years.
So don't assume HJ is an expert he isn't, what he does is compile data from dissatisfied owners.
As RAY says that is right he,s a car salesman from 30 years ago.Anybody with somesort of brain could workout if a charge cooler is leaking oil is must also leak air,(incedently the oil isnt from the charge cooler),but turbo failure is going to happen shortly after if its carried on running.Nissan done their part and sent out recalls.Turbo failing after 30k maybe if the cause is not rectified.What a load of bollocks.
the intercooler leaks oil because a turbo will send a fine mist of oil through the intercooler, because the intercooler is on a slight slant ontop of the engine it gathers accross the front of the intercooler and leaks when the intercooler fails. also where does the oil leak come from if not from the intercooler, the sky???
They are what there job title says a car salesmen at the end of the day,not being funny and dont want to make any enemies but the salesmen i know from all the garages i have worked not one has been a trained techie, dont want to affend you Ray. how many car salesmen do you see tinkering under the bonnet fixing the car for a customers???
They are what there job title says a car salesmen at the end of the day,not being funny and dont want to make any enemies but the salesmen i know from all the garages i have worked not one has been a trained techie, dont want to affend you Ray. how many car salesmen do you see tinkering under the bonnet fixing the car for a customers???
I agree Michael E, when things are fine and dandy no one says anything and like i said earlier if nissan had used a more reliable engine the car would be fine, its comfy a nice smooth ride for a 4x4 and a massive boot it was just unreliable, but then i did go from a mercedes to the xtrail and i never hardly opened the bonnet on the mercedes in the 5 years i owned it so maybe i was just expecting mercedes reliability out of a Datsun engine
was never going to happen really was it. i never wanted to start a full scale argument on here i just wanted to put a point across. No car is without its faults i know i just think people that are asking for advice on here when buying a vehicle should be made aware of its faults as well as there good points.
Well my car before the T30 was a Audi quattro avant, Which was also 100% reliable over 4 years.
So I'm not sure what the relevance is?
My son in law runs a new Merk every few months, as far as i know only two have had to be recovered, the E class was the last, around 3 months ago.
But that doesn't mean that all merks are rubbish does it??
Regarding were the intercooler oil comes from, all diesel engines deposit oil mist, how much depends on whether they is a problem.
The assumption that the turbo is faulty isn't always the case, if it was why didn't mine expire, after all i had the leaking intercooler from the mk1 version, as i said earlier the replacement didn't leak. But oil will still be found in the intercooler, ask any decent mechanic, don't take my word for it.
Twice now you have said that all you wanted to do is offer advise, well that's good, we all need to know the good and bad of any car.
But the OP had posted long ago that he had bought the 112bhp ALREADY.
So your advise was, well a bit late??
So I'm not sure what the relevance is?
My son in law runs a new Merk every few months, as far as i know only two have had to be recovered, the E class was the last, around 3 months ago.
But that doesn't mean that all merks are rubbish does it??
Regarding were the intercooler oil comes from, all diesel engines deposit oil mist, how much depends on whether they is a problem.
The assumption that the turbo is faulty isn't always the case, if it was why didn't mine expire, after all i had the leaking intercooler from the mk1 version, as i said earlier the replacement didn't leak. But oil will still be found in the intercooler, ask any decent mechanic, don't take my word for it.
Twice now you have said that all you wanted to do is offer advise, well that's good, we all need to know the good and bad of any car.
But the OP had posted long ago that he had bought the 112bhp ALREADY.
So your advise was, well a bit late??
i dont see that my advice is well a bit late, Coachman may have bought there car but this is here for others to read in the future is it not?
Were do the experts get the information from on here?Totally wrong not all turbochargers on diesel engines run wet.The only turbochargers that run wet are the ones were the crankcase breather is piped in to the inlet side of the turbo.Exactly one of the reasons Nissan suffered more turbocharger failures than most was because the chargecoolers were weak and split.Thus promoting turbocharger overspeed,excessive passing of oil,bearing failure,and an increase in cylinder temp and ultimitely exhaust gas temp..It seems to me most chargecoolers were overlooked when failure happened.Yes i think we understand were the oil comes from,out of the crack in the chargecooler yes,but not directly out of the chargecooler and not from the sky.
Calm down Seth you will blow a hole in your intercooler in a min
all the arguing here is doing my head in, wish i didnt say anything now
we have all made our point on this matter.
hi all thanks for the advice weve brought a 2003 on a 52 plate 2.2 sdi plus 112bhp manual and off course diesel
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