Arizona Justice

[Lord Braykewynde]

USA JAIL - SOME INTERESTING READING

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the 'tent city jail' to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but 'G' movies. He says:

'They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave.'

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied: 'So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.'

He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back.'

He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd 2007), the Associated Press reported: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On the Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were overheard chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees.

'This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace,' said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. 'It's inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. 'Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.'

The same day he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: 'It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!'

Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would be a lot less crime and we would not be in the current position of running out of prison spaces.

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected as Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona.

One day, when the PC/Human Rights Numpties have died out and are a part of our history maybe this will happen here to. Get them out clearing verges, streets etc. instead of sat on their asses all day on their Playstations.

 

[Lutz]

That man is sick and the prison isn't a prison but a concentration camp. What the hell did the USA fight in the Second World War for if all they do is repeat the atrocities of the enemy? Someone's got a very warped sense of freedom.

 

[davedee]

Commit serious crime and you don't deserve to keep your freedom.

I wonder howmany of the good sheriff's guests qualify for another stay.

Dave

 

[PaulHull]

They should show Sheriff Joe Arpaio an episode of Traffic Cops - when the guy that nicks a car, writes off twelve others on his rampage, gets half the police force out with the helicopter then gets a two month suspended sentance - he'd laugh his arse off

 

[gypsy]

It seems like this sheriff has the right approach, I would vote for him.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I think Lutz is missing the point. I understood that the Americans joined the war to stop the advance of Nazism. Somehow I don't think thousands of lives in the free world were lost to help the criminals of Europe, wasn't it to stop Fascist racism? The concentration camps were there to exterminate people who didn't fit in with the Aryan race. Women, children, old and young died in these camps because of this, this was their only crime, to be born non-Aryan. Others also died, because of their opposing political views or because they were homo-sexual.

What is happening now in Arizona is totally different, they are criminals, of all races. Extermination, unlike the Nazi solution, isn't an option in Joes jails.

The softly softly approach has been tried now for about 20 years and has proved to be a miserable failure. This is why if there was a vote in this country Joe would have a landslide victory. I'm just hoping it catches on. Well done Joe.

 

[Guest]

This guy sounds just like the kind of guy we need desperately. Once he had sorted the PC tosspots here he can maybe go to Germany and show them how to really have a good time.

Then send him to Brussels as there are more criminals per square inch (NOTE THE USE OF GOOD IMPERIAL UNITS) there than anywhere in Europe.

 

[Lutz]

Nobody went to war because of Nazi racism. The whole world stood idly by and watched as not only as Jews but also politcal dissendents were persecuted. It wasn't until other countries were occupied that anyone got off their behinds and actively engaged in opposition. So fighting racism certainly wasn't the reason for the war.

What this bloke in Arizona is doing is only satifying certain peoples basic instincts for revenge. It's just swapping illegal violence for legal violence. But what else can one expect from a violent society? The goodies are just as violent as the baddies.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

At last - common ground for Lutz and myself. Having been brought up with a diet of Roy Rodgers, Hopalong Cassidy, Tex Ritter, Kit Carson etc. in comic and film I suppose the baddies were also violent.

Isn't it strange that having been brought up on such violence me, and millions of others like me have never seen the inside of a courtroom let alone a jail.

Again, growing up in the years of rationing and make do we didn't go out robbing people but yes Lutz, we have become a violent society. Why? Because we have allowed it so with our kid gloves approach to the low lives.

As I've said before Lutz, your way as been well tried and tested, it's even been dusted off and upgraded and still it doesn't work. All I hear you doing is condemning other methods but not forthcoming with a successful method of your own that's been proved to work.

Thankfully the tide is turning and thoughts and sympathies are leaning towards the victims and not the villains.

 

[PaulHull]

Unless you live in Hull in which case instead of sending the scum to jail they have their own private go-kart track.

I have to pay 50 quid for a days go karting - they just have to mug my grandma.

Softly softly doesn't work - send them down and get them to do hard labour, they won't want to get back in so quick (a guy was recently caught breaking back in to Everthorpe prison)

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Quote Lutz ....

"The whole world stood idly by and watched as not only as Jews but also politcal dissendents were persecuted. It wasn't until other countries were occupied that anyone got off their behinds and actively engaged in opposition".

As you probably well know Lutz, the world, or at least this country didn't stand idly by. This country through it's wisdom and Mr. Chamberlain tried negotiation with Herr Hitler, the softly softly approach. The rest is history Lutz, the softly softly approach didn't work, the very system you are advocating for criminals and low lives.

Anyone with any commonsense and experience of bullies know that it doesn't work, they see it as the face of cowardice. Bullies have to be faced and stood up to at some time else we have anarchy, something that isn't so far off in this country or many others due to the politically correct and human rights left wing liberals.

 

[Lutz]

Even Mr Chamberlain didn't come to negotiate because of the Jews. He came because Austria had already been annexed and because of the likelihood, later found to be true, that further countries were to follow.

If I were to be sentenced to a prison like that one in Arizona, I think it would be more likely to turn me to violence than to show me the right way. It would fill me with so much anger and hatred about being treated like that that I don't think I would be able to guarantee for my actions.

 

[Tony_5068498]

What seems to have been forgotten here is that those who go to Joes jails have made a conscious choice to commit the crimes , the victims have had no such choice.

We have a choice do we treat criminals with kid gloves or do we treat them like Joe.

I think there are lots of people on here with experience of erecting tents who would be willing to assist

 

[Lutz]

I don't know how one can assume that the inmates of that man's prison made a conscious choice to commit a crime. Also, one cannot assume that everyone in that prison is there for having committed a felony.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Quote ..."It would fill me with so much anger and hatred about being treated like that that I don't think I would be able to guarantee for my actions".

You are thinking from your point of view Lutz, not the mindset of a criminal. These people already are full of anger and without pity for anyone else and most are violent anyway.

You also say "one cannot assume that everyone in that prison is there for having committed a felony". I cannot believe some are in there by special voluntary invite so I assume you mean that maybe the law have convicted an innocent person.

If so does this mean that we should make prisons like luxury hotels which they are almost like today?

Due to our softly approach, where even those charged with murder are allowed out on bail, official figures this week make interesting reading.

185 per week on average fail to show up in court when out on bail. This includes violent people and sex offenders. 70,000 a year treat bail as a joke and a "get out of jail"

card. The figures haven't altered since 1997 (isn't that the year our "get tough on crime" government came to power).

Due to cost etc. tracking these people is low on the list of police priorities.

Again this week, Britains most violent criminal has stated that prison is "too soft."

He stated "prison is no longer porridge, it's cornflakes. It's no longer making mailbags, it's making fairy cakes. Even prison governors are softies, political correctness comes first. They have TV, radio, CDs, carpets, curtains, own clothes, open visits, phone calls, gym, pool and canteen ".

This has caused the Prison Officers Association to comment about the soft conditions including some having Sky TV and breakfast in bed. They say thousands of prisoners haven't applied for early release because life in there is too comfortable. Even our illustrious Justice Minister has admitted that dozens have been caught actually trying to break INTO prison.

That should tell us a lot.

Incidentally Lutz, I'm still waiting for you to tell us your successful way of dealing with them and putting these low lives back on the "straight and narrow" and becoming valued members of society :O)

 

[Lutz]

I agree with you that unfortunately there is probably no better alternative to get to grips with the current situation on a short term basis, but nothing, or next to nothing, is being done as a preventative measure. The next generation of criminals is already pre-programmed.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Quote .. "I agree with you".

Phewwww!!!! thanks Lutz, that little phrase made all my typing worthwhile :O)

Heh! heh! heh!

 

[Garfield]

I believe that one of the many reasons for increasing jail numbers is that like breeds like and it is the lawless tail end of society that is doing most of the breeding, some having 5 kids by 5 different partners before they are 25 yet the hardworking sector of society that create the wealth that we all live on have just 2 kids when they are 30+, they are taxed so heavily to pay for those on benefits to have kids that they cannot afford to have more kids sooner.

Roll on the cheap warehouse style prisons paid for by stopping child benefit for any more than 2 children

 

[colin(bridgend)]

I am also of the opinion that prisons these days are a soft option. On the news yesterday there are now do gooders who believe that children are being persecuted for their wrong doings and it is society who are forcing these children off the rails by pressuring them with stress - what a load of bunkum - what stress has the average child got compared to my childhood - homework, school exams and what has Mam got for tea. If a child commits a crime then that child should be punished and made to realise right from wrong. It all stems from the home environment - a child learns more in its first five years of life than the rest of its life. The parent should bring the child up to respect each and every one and their property.

Where are the parents of these unruely children? - either down the pub/betting office spending their giro money or at home/out getting high on drugs. Any parent caught neglecting their child should have the children taken off them and then operated upon to prevent them having more children. There should also be no maternity money for the parent and family allowance starts when the child starts full time schooling thereby ensuring that a child is wanted and not there as a result of an unplanned pregnancy. The nursery in my village takes babys from 6 WEEKS old so that the parent can return to work and is open from 6:00am to 9:00pm seven days a week. I will agree there are extenuating circumstances of a marraige breakdown, etc. and these can be given special consideration. This country is too free on social handouts for all and sundry.

Unfortunately a lot of today's problems are a result of the liberal approach of the public in my younger days - promotion of drugs by pop groups, openness on sex and promiscuity, etc. The 1960s and 1970s have a lot to answer for.

 

[Tony_5068498]

I am also of the opinion that prisons these days are a soft option. On the news yesterday there are now do gooders who believe that children are being persecuted for their wrong doings and it is society who are forcing these children off the rails by pressuring them with stress - what a load of bunkum - what stress has the average child got compared to my childhood - homework, school exams and what has Mam got for tea. If a child commits a crime then that child should be punished and made to realise right from wrong. It all stems from the home environment - a child learns more in its first five years of life than the rest of its life. The parent should bring the child up to respect each and every one and their property.

Where are the parents of these unruely children? - either down the pub/betting office spending their giro money or at home/out getting high on drugs. Any parent caught neglecting their child should have the children taken off them and then operated upon to prevent them having more children. There should also be no maternity money for the parent and family allowance starts when the child starts full time schooling thereby ensuring that a child is wanted and not there as a result of an unplanned pregnancy. The nursery in my village takes babys from 6 WEEKS old so that the parent can return to work and is open from 6:00am to 9:00pm seven days a week. I will agree there are extenuating circumstances of a marraige breakdown, etc. and these can be given special consideration. This country is too free on social handouts for all and sundry.

Unfortunately a lot of today's problems are a result of the liberal approach of the public in my younger days - promotion of drugs by pop groups, openness on sex and promiscuity, etc. The 1960s and 1970s have a lot to answer for.

People have children because they choose to have them , where is my choice in having to work hard and pay high taxes to pay their child benefit and all the other allowances?.

About time we adopted the saying

You have them you keep them

 

[Sad_374362780]

I think Lutz is missing the point. I understood that the Americans joined the war to stop the advance of Nazism. Somehow I don't think thousands of lives in the free world were lost to help the criminals of Europe, wasn't it to stop Fascist racism? The concentration camps were there to exterminate people who didn't fit in with the Aryan race. Women, children, old and young died in these camps because of this, this was their only crime, to be born non-Aryan. Others also died, because of their opposing political views or because they were homo-sexual.

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and you believe all that? O.......K

 

[Parksy]

OK gents, lets stick to the original topic and leave the second world war out of it

Thank You

 

[Sad_374362780]

Fair enough, Parksy - 'Don't mention the w....'

Got it

 

[Parksy]

Fair enough, Parksy - 'Don't mention the w....'

Got it

I walked right it to that one didn't I? :0)

 

[Herb_374364035]

Sheriff Joe wins every election by a landslide. The people here in Maricopa County love him.

The people on the chain gangs volunteer for that job, it gets them "outside" for the day.

You forgot to mention that he has a neon "vacancy" sign like a motel at Tent City. He says "if you don't like it here, behave yourself and you won't be here."

He is also the only one doing anything about illegal mexican immigration.