awning wash and re water proof

[j_374530505]

Hi

My company is NovoSail and we are the world's largest marine textile processing company.

We are just thinking about the processing of awnings and

I am looking for one person to process their awning for free so we can decide if we should enter this market

Please don't worry about our processing the sails I process are worth many thousands of pounds each and we are used to high end chemicals and textiles

Please have a look at my website and give me a call if it's of any interest

Kind regards

Jason

http://www.novosail.com/index-en.php

 

[Parksy]

Hi Jason

Would the guinea pig awning owner be providing their awning at their own risk? What happens if the colours fade or the awning shrinks?

 

[j_374530505]

Hi,

Yes at own risk, as it's a test and free.

But as you will see from pictures on our web site it won't as we understand textiles.

We process the majority of canopies, shades, umbrellas, and sails in the world so it will all go ok

Regards

Jason

 

[ValA.]

We have a Trio awning, size 925 centimetres, which is about ten years old, and quite faded because of the sunlight. It's in good condition, though, apart from that - but has a few marks from various things. I'm not sure if it would be too old for you to work on, but I'd probably be quite happy to let it be a 'guinea pig' if you could let me have details.

I'll ask the moderators to pass on my email address.

 

[ValA.]

Just a thought though - how would the 'plastic' windows stand up to whatever processes you put the canvas through? I understand that chemicals often used for cleaning can have an adverse effect on this plastic?

 

[j_374530505]

hi

well what a pesponse

here is a link to some photos, please look through you will see various ones including windows.

boat canopies all have windows

http://www.novosail.com/en-NovoSail-Company/Impressionen.php
i feel i must open this offer up slightly as i have had 3 calls alreday

i will do 5 awnings free so it will give me and you some trust in the process

kind regrdes jason

 

[Parksy]

We have a Trio awning, size 925 centimetres, which is about ten years old, and quite faded because of the sunlight. It's in good condition, though, apart from that - but has a few marks from various things. I'm not sure if it would be too old for you to work on, but I'd probably be quite happy to let it be a 'guinea pig' if you could let me have details.

I'll ask the moderators to pass on my email address.

I forwarded your email address Val

 

[machighlander]

Greeks and Gifts !.

 

[TrevorM]

I was going to reply to say this thread violates Forum Etiquette Rule No. 6, but I was adversely criticised by a moderator last time I suggested this relating to a previous thread. In that case someone was offering free samples of a sort of "super-velcro." Anyway, I suppose I had better keep quiet - oops, I have hit the submit buttom!!!

Enjoy your holidays.

Trevor M.

 

[TrevorM]

"buttoN"

 

[j_374530505]

hi

i am sorry if my post asking for help has offended anyone.

none of my family own a caravan anymore and they suggested this was a good a place to start as any.and that i would get some guidance on the market

i promise i dont need to tought for buissness and am not at this moment trying to, if we did decide to enter this buissness market i promise i will advertised as i normaly would do

 

[Parksy]

Trevor

If in my opinion the post had broken the rules on advertising I would have removed it when I posted earlier at 12.46pm.

Thanks for your concern

 

[trevgib]

I cannot understand why you are asking for someone to supply an awning, if your a company which is the worlds biggest sail textile processing company then why dont you just buy an awning and test it with your chemicals. Trevor im with you, just a cheap ad which has once again been allowed to filter through.Parksy and the rest of the mods wake up

 

[ValA.]

I'm going to try it out anyway - we've nothing much to lose, our awning is ten years old, sun faded, and rather 'grubby' after twice yearly fortnights in France as well as various wet fortnights in England. The trouble is with us British we always think the worse of anything. I'm quite glad to see someone offering something for nothing for a change.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing the results.

 

[j_374530505]

Hi trev

Sorry but I'm getting a bit annoyed with you.

If I went to buy a new awning today what would that accomplish???

How dirty would it be?

How much UV degradation would be present?

How much mould would be present?

What would the dwr be of the textile?

Would it be already water proof?

How would I know my % increase on water proofness?

Would I be best treating it with split chain flour carbons?

Or would I be better testing silver technology on it?

You are not really doing your hobby very much justice as I asked for help as someone who is thinking of trying your market.

Yes me if I choose to do it, I will make money. I am very successful and can see a gap in the market but only if it works on the products and is at a relative % cost to replacement

Yes if I choose to do it and can show benefits you save money.

If I can do the same that would mean not have to buy a new awning as often!!

In laboratory tests by two universities the way we chemical process adds about 40% to the life of a sail so it should pro ratar to nylon/ synthetics

If I'm not a caravaner, have limited knowledge of your way of thinking, and wonder if it might be an idea. What would you suggest someone do? Never ask a question of the people that will know the answer?

If others before me have touted for business fine but

Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

 

[DarrylFlynn]

J.

I think that Trevor is suggesting that you simply buy an OLD USED SECONDHAND awning and then test away to your hearts delight.

You will find plenty available for 50-50 pounds if you check any of the Yellow Papers.

Darryl

 

[j_374530505]

thank you, now ive learnt something. people sell secondhand awnings.

you see when you are involved in a industry you understand it, when im not i ask for advice and help

thats all

 

[DarrylFlynn]

thank you, now ive learnt something. people sell secondhand awnings.

you see when you are involved in a industry you understand it, when im not i ask for advice and help

thats all

J,

your welcome.

Good luck with your endeavours.

Darryl

 

[Parksy]

Woah!

I find it hard to understand why an argument should break out over a simple request for help.

Jason can buy a second hand awning if he wishes but why should some forum members who want to take part miss out on having their awning cleaned and waterproofed free of charge?

Cutting your nose off to spite your face is the phrase that comes to mind.

There are those, myself included, who don't want to take part by sending their awnings to Jason which is fine but those who do want to take part should have the chance to make up their own minds.

If Jason's trials are successful no doubt he will advertise his services not on this forum but in the Practical Caravan magazine and elsewhere in the normal way, he has nothing to advertise until he's tried the procedure out.

 

[Parksy]

J.

I think that Trevor is suggesting that you simply buy an OLD USED SECONDHAND awning and then test away to your hearts delight.

You will find plenty available for 50-50 pounds if you check any of the Yellow Papers.

Darryl

Darryl

My remarks about arguments below were not directed towards you, I was writing my post as you posted.

 

[DarrylFlynn]

Darryl

My remarks about arguments below were not directed towards you, I was writing my post as you posted.

No thats fine Parksy. I have no axe to grind with J, indeed it may be to many peoples advantage if this turns out to be a goer!!!.

My thoughts re a J buying a CHEAP secondhand one was that there was no chance of anyone being disappointed with the end result on their own awning.

Regards Darryl

 

[Surfer]

I cannot believe how people attack someone that has offered to clean an awning for free. If you not want your awning cleaned there is no need to respond to the offer by insulting Jason. I suppose there is an expletive to describe these people.

 

[Guest]

I regret I do not see any argument breaking out. Merely a member asking for clarification of where the Rules of the Forum, start and end? Clause 6 of the Forum Etiquette seems quite clear on this.

According to my Oxford Dictionary the word 'advertising' is defined as 'proclaiming merits of, to encourage sales, to make generally or publically known'.

Looking at the OP this seems to fall within the remit of at least one or more of these definitions, so he is advertising, and of course is not paying any fees for the opportunity. A Company name is even included. Taking an ad in PC magazine would have reached a wider audience, but of course incurred costs, so questions do arise.

I feel it could have been rephrased in a format that would not have been so tenuous, and still allowed members to take advantage of any offer, if they so wished. I am not trying to be 'picky' but as on a number of occasions we have had the 'Rules' thrust at us, asking for clarification is I feel not unexpected. To my mind the obvious solution would have been for the Mods to 'pull' the Post as soon as seen, contact 'J' by e mail as I assume he is a registered member, and advised him that the Post was in a grey area technically, and could it be re-phrased to get the message over, without any potential conflict with the Rules. I also assume totally that 'J' s intentions are honourable, but we all have to obey the Rules, don't we?

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I'm glad my parents didn't Christen me Trevor :O)

I can't see why anyone else should worry about what happens to someone else's awning or be so suspicious.

If a forum member volunteers their old awning surely it's their business and if they have a successful outcome they will be pleased as well as Jason.

From the couple of negative postings please don't think all caravanners are the same Jason.

 

[Parksy]

Scotch Lad wrote:

'I regret I do not see any argument breaking out. Merely a member asking for clarification of where the Rules of the Forum, start and end? Clause 6 of the Forum Etiquette seems quite clear on this.

According to my Oxford Dictionary the word 'advertising' is defined as 'proclaiming merits of, to encourage sales, to make generally or publically known'.

Looking at the OP this seems to fall within the remit of at least one or more of these definitions, so he is advertising, and of course is not paying any fees for the opportunity. A Company name is even included. Taking an ad in PC magazine would have reached a wider audience, but of course incurred costs, so questions do arise....'

I am trying to head off arguments Scotch Lad, the potential for forum bust ups is always around as we have all seen many times before.

As for the rule breaking re advertising if Jason had a product as such I'd agree that the post would be advertising and therefore not allowed but as far as I can tell from what was posted Jason does not actually have a product to advertise or to sell in my opinion.

He seems to be considering developing a product but as far as I can tell he hasn't yet done so which might be why he asked for the help of forum members.

In my opinion the post didn't advertise anything but that's all that I have, my opinion. I'm not a legal expert and I don't sit here with a dictionary to find out exact definitions or legal interpretations.