Battery Passport 2027

[Sam Vimes]

Your right, I'm wrong....duh!

Went straight from miles to kg without considering how much fuel I used.

So try again. 56,000 miles is roughly 3800l of fuel.

3800 x 2.68 = 10,184kg of CO2

Still a small saving.

 

[Hutch]

Did you know,
A, 1 cubic kilometer (km3) cloud contains 1 billion cubic meters. Doing the math: 1,000,000,000 x 0.5 = 500,000,000 grams of water droplets in our cloud. That is about 500,000 kilograms or 1.1 million pounds (about 551 tons)
How do they stay up there. ?

 

[Sam Vimes]

They don't...they fall on Skye

 

[Tobes]

Just as an aside.....

My car has done approx 56,000 miles on diesel. This means I've generated about 150,000 kg of CO2.

To date my Stop Start function has supposedly saved 0.8kg of CO2. Is it worth it?

Of course multiply that by a few million cars and it does add up.

Are you sure that's the correct arithmetic? That's 90,123 km - my car produces 174 g/km which would only give 15,681 kg of CO2 so yours should be way under that.

@Sam Vimes, I think @RogerL is right - I think you are out by a factor of 10?

A quick search suggests 1L of diesel (850g) produces around 2.7kg of CO2 when combusted.

Assuming you average 56mpg, thats 1000 gallons, or 4540 litres, or 12,258kg, 12.25 tonnes.
If you average 45mpg thats 56000/45*4.54*2.7 = 15.254 tonnes.
If you average 28mpg (my old XC90 tow car), that 24.5 tonnes

Just for comparison, my car (Polestar 2) has completed 41000 miles in 3 years, at an average of 37kWh/100 miles, or 2.7miles per kWh. So it has consumed 15,185kWh of electricity. The UK average grid carbon in 2023 was 161g/kWh, which would give a total carbon emission of just 2.4 tonnes ( though I charge almost exclusively overnight when the average grid carbon is about 30% lower, meaning about 1.7 tonnes). When added to the manufacturing footprint of about 26 tonnes, it has a life-so-far total of 28.5 tonnes. Again - for comparison, a petrol XC40 has a manufacturing CO2 of 16.1 tonnes...

 

[Tobes]

Your right, I'm wrong....duh!

Went straight from miles to kg without considering how much fuel I used.

So try again. 56,000 miles is roughly 3800l of fuel.

3800 x 2.68 = 10,184kg of CO2

Still a small saving.

Thats an average of 67mpg! Impressive!

 

[Sam Vimes]

That was a conservative estimate.

Generally its higher. On a long Highland run, say Skye to Inverness I can get over 80mpg.

Once from Tyndrum to Fort William I got just over 90. But then I was stuck behind campervan and caravans.😉

 

[Billybushwick]

A new requirement fir EVs being introduced in 2027 is a battery passport that details the materials used in a cars battery, the manufacturing processes and impact on the environment including design for recycling. Volvo are the first maker to produce a passport for one of their new models. The article also has a link to Ecobat a British company specialising in battery recycling.

New EV battery passport reveals environmental impact of electric cars | Auto Express

Battery passports will become a legal requirement on all EVs in 2027, providing a breakdown of what impact manufacturing the car has had on the environment

www.autoexpress.co.uk

It amazes me how they can be so brash, considering the chemtrail spraying that is, in all likelyhood, going to kill us all in the end. Just more bumf to close the net.

 

[otherclive]

It amazes me how they can be so brash, considering the chemtrail spraying that is, in all likelyhood, going to kill us all in the end. Just more bumf to close the net.

It’s microplastics that will lead to mankind’s demise. They are now found in all parts of the human body, including “wills”. Being postulated for reducing human fertility.

 

[Buckman]

I have given up on tree huggers and Stop Oil idiots as that is all they are with mentality of a 2 year old!

 

[Sam Vimes]

I think that's a little harsh.

There intentions may be worthy - the way the go about drawing attention to the issues is not.

 

[Buckman]

I think that's a little harsh.

There intentions may be worthy - the way the go about drawing attention to the issues is not.

Hopefully they will throw the book at them and lock them up for several years! One of them was already out in bail offensive for another stunt!

 

[otherclive]

Hopefully they will throw the book at them and lock them up for several years! One of them was already out in bail offensive for another stunt!

A more effective campaigner is the lady who led a protest against Surrey Councils approval of a new oil well. The Supreme Court found that the Council had taken into account the environmental impact of installing the well, but had not accounted for the carbon dioxide that would be produced by burning the oil produced by the well. Interesting to see how the Council and contractor deal with the judgement. It could impact the planned Cumbrian coal mine and new North Sea licences.

 

[Buckman]

A more effective campaigner is the lady who led a protest against Surrey Councils approval of a new oil well. The Supreme Court found that the Council had taken into account the environmental impact of installing the well, but had not accounted for the carbon dioxide that would be produced by burning the oil produced by the well. Interesting to see how the Council and contractor deal with the judgement. It could impact the planned Cumbrian coal mine and new North Sea licences.

At least she went about it the correct way and even though I don't agree with the Supreme Court judgement as it makes us less independent, we have no choice. In guess it will be taken to the Appeal Court as many jobs etc will be lost.

 

[otherclive]

At least she went about it the correct way and even though I don't agree with the Supreme Court judgement as it makes us less independent, we have no choice. In guess it will be taken to the Appeal Court as many jobs etc will be lost.

We are not independent in oil, it’s a misconception. Our oil is sold on the world market and the product can be shipped anywhere in the world, generally at a good price that profits the producer. We then buy oil more cheaply from overseas sources.

 

[Buckman]

We are not independent in oil, it’s a misconception. Our oil is sold on the world market and the product can be shipped anywhere in the world, generally at a good price that profits the producer. We then buy oil more cheaply from overseas sources.

Either way, if oil imports were stopped tomorrow, there probably would not be enough oil to keep the country functioning and cost of motoring will escalate and that will affect the cost of food.

 

[Tobes]

Either way, if oil imports were stopped tomorrow, there probably would not be enough oil to keep the country functioning and cost of motoring will escalate and that will affect the cost of food.

All the more reason to become less dependant on oil then...

 

[Buckman]

All the more reason to become less dependant on oil then...

and for the economy to collapse? We all need oil whether you have an EV or not!