Blown Air Heating System

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I have a Bailey GT60/620-6 with Truma s3002 Ultraheat

Whilst away last week put on the electric heating but as it was still cold we operated it on electric and gas.
Now when I put it on electric only either at 500-1000 or 2000 it gets warm but not hot the temparature outside is not cold so its not that.
the caravan is about 8 months old purchased from new I appreciate that blown air heating is not the best and dont expect too much from it but would have expected it to be better than it is.

I left it on for an hour at 2000Kw and it was only luke warm air coming out the two vents and the actual fire a bit warmer

Any thoughts please

John
 
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I have found it depends on how high you set the fan on electric I never put the fan on more then setting one and a half, any more and the amount of air coming in overpowers the heating element.
 
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Stephen I normally leave the fan on in automatic position this should then monitor the heat coming out and adjust the fan speed accordingly.

But I will try what you suggested and see how it works

John
 
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It would appear that there are big differences in the performance of blown air heating systems. My previous caravan, which was also fitted with blown air and the same Truma equipment, got warmer inside much quicker than my current one, even using the same settings. I notice that the current caravan has far more apertures through which the hot air can escape, even under the beds, so presumably the distribution of hot air is more uniform, although at the expense of having hot air quickly where you want it.
 
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Check that none of the joints have come apart especially behind the fire. Try running the fan on auto and the heater on 2000. The fan will run very slowly until things heat up as the speed is thermostatically controlled. For a fast warm up run on gas and then switch to electric. The pipe that went out under the van to the washroom in my van was supposedly insulated - this insulation consisted of a second waterproof tube round the cardboard one. Nothing spacing the tubes to hold them concentric so the insulation was useless. I shortened this tube by 18 inches and added extra insulation. There was a dramatic improvement in the heat to the washroom. I guess a lot of the heat was just wasted heating the tube under the floor. It also helped the general heat to the rest of the van.
 
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John
Make sure the inner part of the 500/ 0/ 1000/2000 switch is on its highest setting, 9. I have found this inner part is easily misturned to a lower figure resulting in a lower heat output.
We always give the system a booster with electric and gas together for 15 mins before switching over to blown air on electric only.
 
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Dear All

I have checked all pipes are connected at the back of the fan blower
I have checked the inner dial is on 9 and heard the thermostat click
All my pipes run internally in the caravan either under the front cushions over the wheel arches and in the recess of the inside wall to bathroom (so no external pipes)
It is sunny outside now so have put it on 2000Kw fan position 1.5 I will run for an hour and report back

John
 
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If I stand in front of the heater
about one meter to my Right is the bathroom hot air blows out of there
About one metre to my left is the dining room hot air blows out of there
about three meteres left is the lounge the air coming out of there is cool
(all pipes are internal to the caravan no pipes are exposed outside)

John
 
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At the rear of the heater where the ducts join the casing there will be a diverter flap to push air in either direction. Is one side of the van closed off? If the flap is in the centre position you should be getting even heat through all vents, but as some duct runs are longer than others you may notice a slight decrease in heat from the furthest away from the heater (longest duct run). A quick test is to close the vents that you are getting hot air from and open the ones that you are getting cold air from and see if this makes a difference in temp from the open vents, won't be instant though. Are you sure that all heat settings 500,100 and 2000w are actually working, Just because you here a click when switching on does not mean it is heating. To test this you will need to measure the current draw from each setting, from memory 500w should draw 2.2amps 1000w should draw 4.4amps and 2000w should draw around 8amps.

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I have had the heating on for one hour now and there seems to be a slight improvement.

What I found over the longest run of about three meters the pipe passed the truma water heater the gas feed to the heater came in through the floor directly above this hole was my warm air pipie so I have sealed around the hole as cold air would be coming up and going onto my hot air duct.
There is a slight improvment and I dont think I will get better than this.

( I have a 2Kw heater fan if I put it at the end of the caravan it warms it up very quickly and the caravan gets very hot so I must ask the question as my installed system is also 2Kw why dont I get the same effect)
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I have had the heating on for one hour now and there seems to be a slight improvement.

What I found over the longest run of about three meters the pipe passed the truma water heater the gas feed to the heater came in through the floor directly above this hole was my warm air pipie so I have sealed around the hole as cold air would be coming up and going onto my hot air duct.
There is a slight improvment and I dont think I will get better than this.

( I have a 2Kw heater fan if I put it at the end of the caravan it warms it up very quickly and the caravan gets very hot so I must ask the question as my installed system is also 2Kw why dont I get the same effect)
John
 
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Hello John,

Its not true to say that blown air is not the best system, What is the best is what provides the level of heating and distribution required by the the customer.

Now I know, because I have actually tested heating system in caravans, is that a properly adjusted and installed blown air system can be perfectly adequate with external temperatures down to -5C.

The system needs to be balanced out, which to the uninitiated may take some trial and error. and sometimes small modifications to the pipe runs can make a big difference. You can heat the air quite quickly, but it takes longer to geat the substance of the caravan, and that applies to any form of heating, so it will never be instant.

First though, the hottest air is going to be closest to the heater, it is also going to have the greatest flow, so keep the outlets closest to the heater only just open, and the further away open them a little more and so on as the distance increases. Often the there is a difference in the length of each leg of ducting, so use the diverter plate in the fan unit to bias more flow to the longer leg.

Arrange the vents to blow at the floor, because the coander effect means the moving air tries to stick to the surface against which its moving, and will travel further before letting go and convecting upwards.

Secondary work involves looking at the pipework. The longer a pipe is the more resistance to air movement it offers. Also the more bends there are will also slow the air movement down, In some caravans it is possible to re-route the pipework so it is shorter, or to remove some bends. In one particular caravan design, I was able to suggest a shorter route that removed nearly 1.5 meters of pipe. That saved the caravan manufacture money!

Tersary work involves looking at the junctions in the pipework. Most junctions are Tee's. If the flow into the fitting is across the head of the T, then the air flow preferentially tries to travel across the head and only a small proportion of the flow is diverted down the stick of the T. The situation is not always as clear cut as that as the degree of preference is also affected by the amount of ducting and the back pressure/ resistance to flow it provides. In some installations the fittings are not aligned to give maximum flow to the furthers points, and by re-fitting the T's to maximise flow to the far points can make a significant difference.

Another major improvement can be achieved by creating as complete ring of ducting around the caravan,any excess air in one leg can the supplement the air in the other.

All caravans have some floor level ventilation, and some times pipework passes over the vent, or is in the same restricted void as a vent(e.g. under a fridge). You must never cover up the ventilation holes, but you could lag the pipework so it looses less heat in these areas

Some lengths of hot air duct are deliberately pierced to provide warm air ventilation into bedding lockers, and up the back of false seat backs. If you feel too much hot air is lost in these areas you can always cover up some of the piercings with duct or masking tape.

As a rough indication of how effective some of these measures can be, One manufacturers caravan as delivered was exposed to -5C and the heating was turned on. In its as delivered state, we measured hot air at about 28C at ceiling height in the main saloon, and only 8C at roof level in the rear bathroom. Floor temperatures in the saloon varied from 2C to 7C depending on how close you were to a particular external vent. After tweaking the system, the saloon came down to about 21C at roof and 18C at floor level and the bathroom improved to about 17C at roof and 15 at floor level.

The bathroom could be made warmer at the expense of the saloon by reposition the flaps in the duct system.

To answer a comment you made in the OP - hot air systems are not necessarily inferior to other systems. its often down to the knowledge and experience on how to get the best out of them. But that applies to everything not just heaters.
 
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I should also add that blown air systems in caravans can become far less effiecient if the fan is obstructed. Look at any year or more old used caravan and the fan will almost certainly have plenty of debris inside it, bits of hair and dust become caked to the fan. This needs to be removed carefully so as not to unballance the fan impeller.
 
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Blown air in caravans takes a little setting up to acheive the best results.

In my Swift 565 i usually have the thermostat on the truma set at around 6 or 7 , and let the heater run for at least 20 minutes before turning on the blown air fan.
I also have the fan on a fairly low setting, you really dont need to have the air blasting out. I only open the vents closest to the heater by 10 or 15mm, while those furthest away are fully open ( at the back of the van).
I find this works well but as John L notes the air temperature at the roof can be considerably higher than on the floor to the extent that my daughter who sleeps on a top bunk has to lie on her bedding.... and that was at Looshill , last year in February with 6" snow on the ground.
It takes a llittle tria and error to find the thermostat, fan speed and vent openings that wil suit your needs, but i really do advise letting the heater warm up before turning on the fan.
 
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We have the same problem as the OP in our one year old Swift 550. And similarly, we now have a standalone 2Kw fan heater that warms the whole van in about 10 minutes. This does not make sense scientifically. Inefficiencies in devices usually mean they produce waste heat, if the blown air system is consuming 2Kw and there are no leaks or production of other forms of energy it should be getting warm but it isn't! Our previous van, albeit smaller, was lovely and cosy with exactly the same system. The dealer says there is nothing wrong but there must be so as soon as the warranty is up I shall be overhauling the system.
 
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You will never get the installed heater to warm up the air in the caravan as quickley as a standalone heater of the same capacity, because the portable fan heater has a relatively small mass of metal heatup, and the caravan heater has the length of ducting and any ather metal work in the gas/elecric heating system, Also it puts more heat into areas that you fan heater cannot reach. Ulrimately you gat all the heat back, but it takes a bit longer, The compensation is that the materials in the caravan will slightly warmer and that means less condensation especially in under bed lockers. and the caravan will 'feel' warmer and drierover all.

Something to check thoughis the position and operation of the thermostat. If the stat is turning the heater down prematurely because of its position, that will mean the heater cannot put as much heat into the caravan as it might.
 

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