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is it only me or has anyone else noticed that most,not all mind but most bmw car drivers are utter idiots

ive been cut up by that many bmw drivers ive lost count

is it because that its been said that the bmw is the ultimate driving machine and as a bmw owner they will exploit it to the limit

like i said is it only me who thinks this?

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I totally agree with you Dave , and will even go a little bit further to include most Germanic made vehicle drivers . Maybe its the internal aura of the Audi/Vw/Merc/Bmw cars that make there drivers see red or could it be the dashboard that hypnostises and temporally lobotomises them ? Stands in the corner awaiting replies . lol --- Steve .
 
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The owner's Handbook for all Germanic cars clearly states' Now that you are the proud owner of this car, you are now allowed to totally ignore all road laws', especially if the colour is black and the windows are shaded. I believe there is also a small pocket in the glove box where you can put your brain while driving.
 
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Being a lady of mature years who drives an Audi, I have to protest at us all being tarred with the same brush!! I do agree that 'many' drivers of these vehicles drive like idiots, but it seems to me that most of them are younger folks, both male and female. (However, that seems to apply to many makes of cars these days). If you ever followed me you would think I was an impeccable Audi driver! LOL
 
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Define Audi driver? I was more inclined towards the A8 driver with the black colour and the dark windows, not necessarily someone who drives an A3. I drive a Volvo but usually do not carry wardrobes etc and wear green wellies.
 
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As a relative newcomer to both the forum and the pastime of caravanning I find it incredible that you can "pigeon hole" people because of the type of car they drive. So a guy who tows a medium sized caravan and drives an Audi A4 1.9Tdi estate with 2 kids and wife doing 60mph on the M6 is automatically labelled as one of your idiots?

Not a critiscm on what you posted just merely an observation.

what about the sales rep late for an appointment driving like an idiot in a new Mondeo? Or does that not count?
 
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Reading hgv daves post Tom I think what he is saying is that whenever he gets cut up it's a BMW driver. Make of that what you like, maybe coincidence, but I have no preference or choice in who cuts me up, all types do it, including white van man ... :O)
 
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You're absolutely right Tom. This theory is complete cr*p in my opinion. I have driven Vauxhall, Fords, Toyotas, Mercs and BMs in recent years and I am not aware my driving habits change in accordance with the cars I am driving at any given time. Sure, I have had issues with other drivers, but more often than not they have been with Mondeos, Astras, Subarus, boy racers in any model, etc, etc, (and indeed, BMs and Mercs). I suspect that German cars are generally considered premium brands - and those that don't have them love to knock 'em and the drivers! Whoops, sorry, I'm off to get my flak jacket...!! LOL.
 
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hi colinn

for the record i own a toyota landcruiser amazon on a 51 plate and have been driving hgvs for the past 21yrs,and yes you are right i do get cut up by all kinds of idiots driving all kinds of cars and thats just part of the job for me and rather than get mad i just think sod em.but the bmw driver i dont know what it is.....arrogance maybe i dont know its just the attitude i belive they have

anyway rant over

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As the driver of an Audi I have to concur with Chrissylizzie & yes we regulary get cut up by BMW drivers when we are towing, & at all other times come to that! so much so we have a little saying, it's...................."who's the w*nker in the beemer!"
 

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I think Dave has this kind of attitude in mind, copied from a post on another site a long time ago:

A day from the diary of a BMW driver...

"The other day I was cruising along as usual coming onto one of my motorways, which was very busy with inferior cars.

First off, I couldn't believe that the volume of traffic DIDN'T slow down for me AT ALL as I came off the slip road! I had to squeeze into a barely big enough gap between two cars in order to get onto my motorway!

The driver of the car behind me did realise his mistake though and honked an apology to me with a long blast of his horn.

Unbelievably, I had to do the same again before I could get to the BMW lane.

Anyway, once I was in the BMW lane and posing along at 110 mph enjoying the adulation that the inferior car drivers were giving me, I noticed an inferior car ahead of me which was not only in the BMW lane of my motorway, but was driving at a ridiculous 70 mph!

Naturally, I got within a foot or so of his rear bumper and flashed my headlights to remind him he shouldn't be in the BMW lane of my motorway and to get out of my way.

Of course, once he realised it was a BMW behind him, he did just that, but I could hardly believe it when he pulled straight back out behind me!

He also tried to keep up with me and when he realised I would out-run him, he put on some blue lights in his front grill and urged me to get onto the hard shoulder so that he could congratulate me on my excellent car.

Needless to say, I was eager to oblige and when we had stopped, the man gave me a piece of paper confirming what I already knew - that my car goes fast!

Apparently he wants everyone to know what a superior car I have, so I had to take my drivers licence to a police station to be sent away to have some points put on! (They're not free points either - they're
 

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It's still too much of a generalisation, it's not the Germanic wheels that are the problem, it's the Moronic drivers behind them - and that goes across all marques and vehicle classes.

It's a bit like HGV drivers, not all, but some, spending 10 minutes in the outside lane of a dual carriageway, causing major queues behind them because they are 1.5 miles per hour faster than the HGV driver in the inside lane, who by now is on the level and both speeds are perfectly matched and neither moron will give way to the other, so there they sit and stuff the rest of the road users.

It's a bit like white van man, not all, but some, that have problems like reading the number 6 as a number 8, so therefore drive their vans everywhere at 80 miles per hour minimum, when they are in fact restricted to 60mph on a dual carriageway (unless they are car derived of course).

It's a bit like the other HGV drivers, not all, but some, who on the approach to roadworks on dual carriageways, sit side by side on purpose with a mile of empty lane in front of them, preventing that lane being used, because they can't perceive that it is safer and smoother for both lanes to drive fully up to the pinch point and merge in turn, thereby reducing the overall length of the tailbacks. This is why there are now signs of "Use Both Lanes" and "Merge In Turn".

I've got loads of examples of Sales Reps in their Vauxhalls, SAABs and Fords, I've got loads of examples of boyracers in their Scoobys & Evo's, and the wannabes in their Golfs & Type R's and the wannabe wannabes in their Saxos and C2's.

And no, I'm not defending BMW drivers, because they too sometimes fall into the Moronic category, along with Volvo, Audi and probably every other brand and class.

I hope I did not offend anyone by missing them off the list but the list is not exhaustive, so feel free to add yourself on at the end if you fit the criteria.

However, the rest of us German car drivers, with our families on board and our beloved caravans in tow can continue to drive safely, with our brains left in, safe in the knowledge that should something go wrong, we are well protected with the quality of the marque around us.

Ken.
 
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I think Dave has this kind of attitude in mind, copied from a post on another site a long time ago:

A day from the diary of a BMW driver...

"The other day I was cruising along as usual coming onto one of my motorways, which was very busy with inferior cars.

First off, I couldn't believe that the volume of traffic DIDN'T slow down for me AT ALL as I came off the slip road! I had to squeeze into a barely big enough gap between two cars in order to get onto my motorway!

The driver of the car behind me did realise his mistake though and honked an apology to me with a long blast of his horn.

Unbelievably, I had to do the same again before I could get to the BMW lane.

Anyway, once I was in the BMW lane and posing along at 110 mph enjoying the adulation that the inferior car drivers were giving me, I noticed an inferior car ahead of me which was not only in the BMW lane of my motorway, but was driving at a ridiculous 70 mph!

Naturally, I got within a foot or so of his rear bumper and flashed my headlights to remind him he shouldn't be in the BMW lane of my motorway and to get out of my way.

Of course, once he realised it was a BMW behind him, he did just that, but I could hardly believe it when he pulled straight back out behind me!

He also tried to keep up with me and when he realised I would out-run him, he put on some blue lights in his front grill and urged me to get onto the hard shoulder so that he could congratulate me on my excellent car.

Needless to say, I was eager to oblige and when we had stopped, the man gave me a piece of paper confirming what I already knew - that my car goes fast!

Apparently he wants everyone to know what a superior car I have, so I had to take my drivers licence to a police station to be sent away to have some points put on! (They're not free points either - they're
 
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Ken I'm glad you never mentioned Passat else I would have started to get a complex ;O) lmaoooo.

The hgv comment regarding lorries is sadly true though. It takes about 4 miles for one to get past the other, meanwhile theres mayhem behind. Eventually, at the rear of the tailback, the traffic actually comes to a halt due to the braking and lane changing.

To put it all in perspective the Highways Agency blamed caravanners for causing the hold-up on the M5 south of Bristol when the same thing is happening all over the country due to one lorry travelling 1 mph faster than another. After a multi-million pound investigation and trial on the M5 it was found that we weren't to blame at all, something that anyone could have told the jerks with the exception of the anti-caravanners.
 
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B.M.W.

What does BMW stand for "Big Money Waster"

I worked for a BMW garage for a few years if you had seen the old flannel that the sales man give out to customer about ultimate driving machine and street creditability if you drive a BMW you telling the world your have made it. Most of the customers beleave this. When thay come to get there cars serviced. Thay talk to the staff as if thay were somthing that thay had trodden in. There put up on a pedistal fed ball-sh** and thay beleave it and become arrogant to there fellow man.
 
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I dont think its all BMW drivers,it the "i must not get stuck behind a caravan mentality"as if for some strange reason we are holding them up!
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like the arrogance and seeing red and being rather touchy in these postings are coming from the drivers of germanic vehicles . Just wondering if this comes from their driving . OOPS runs for cover LOL . -- Steve .
 
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I think Dave has this kind of attitude in mind, copied from a post on another site a long time ago:

A day from the diary of a BMW driver...

"The other day I was cruising along as usual coming onto one of my motorways, which was very busy with inferior cars.

First off, I couldn't believe that the volume of traffic DIDN'T slow down for me AT ALL as I came off the slip road! I had to squeeze into a barely big enough gap between two cars in order to get onto my motorway!

The driver of the car behind me did realise his mistake though and honked an apology to me with a long blast of his horn.

Unbelievably, I had to do the same again before I could get to the BMW lane.

Anyway, once I was in the BMW lane and posing along at 110 mph enjoying the adulation that the inferior car drivers were giving me, I noticed an inferior car ahead of me which was not only in the BMW lane of my motorway, but was driving at a ridiculous 70 mph!

Naturally, I got within a foot or so of his rear bumper and flashed my headlights to remind him he shouldn't be in the BMW lane of my motorway and to get out of my way.

Of course, once he realised it was a BMW behind him, he did just that, but I could hardly believe it when he pulled straight back out behind me!

He also tried to keep up with me and when he realised I would out-run him, he put on some blue lights in his front grill and urged me to get onto the hard shoulder so that he could congratulate me on my excellent car.

Needless to say, I was eager to oblige and when we had stopped, the man gave me a piece of paper confirming what I already knew - that my car goes fast!

Apparently he wants everyone to know what a superior car I have, so I had to take my drivers licence to a police station to be sent away to have some points put on! (They're not free points either - they're
 
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I think there is good and bad in all walks of life, be it car or van drivers, motorhomers- caravanners etc. I don't think you can label anything definatively.

By the way I have a Merc ML270 which I get 28mpg because I don't have a heavy right foot, no points ever on my license and guess what? I have a white van, I don't get road rage or any other rage for that matter
 
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hi all

just an observation while reading the posts.

ken wrote:- "It's still too much of a generalisation, it's not the Germanic wheels that are the problem, it's the Moronic drivers behind them AND " safe in the knowledge that should something go wrong, we are well protected with the quality of the marque around us.

just about sums up the topic,;O

he also wrote "It's a bit like the other HGV drivers, not all, but some, who on the approach to roadworks on dual carriageways, sit side by side on purpose with a mile of empty lane in front of them, preventing that lane being used, because they can't perceive that it is safer and smoother for both lanes to drive fully up to the pinch point and merge in turn, thereby reducing the overall length of the tailbacks. This is why there are now signs of "Use Both Lanes" and "Merge In Turn".

and why does he think there is a mile of empty road on the outside lane,?? er could it because most drivers follow the road signs you know the ones "road works ahead" and "lane closed get in lane now" only to find some impatient moron flying down the outside lane. hoping someone in the 3mile tailback will let them in futher down the line as they arrogantly try to force their way in, therefore holding up the traffic in the inside lane (the ones that have been in the queue longest) even more.

hgv,s and big vans block off this escape route by driving side by side (a rolling road block)to give the drivers on the inside lane in front a free run at the obstruction and why not they are the ones that have been in the tail back the longest.

ken's submission that using both lanes is safer and speeds up traffic flow is not valid as it causes stationary traffic at the head of the queue as cars on the inside have to stop to let them in one at a time it only speeds up the progress of the ones in the outside lane as there is less traffic in front of them, the poor buggers in the inside lane are held up longer as more traffic has to move into their lane in front of them effectivly making them go backwards in the queue and adds to the frustration and anger thats not safer.

I would put it the other way round why should these morons gain an advantage through impatience and arrogance, make them wait their turn like everyone else.

seems fair to me if there is a hold up on the road and when you get there you are behind 50 cars you should be the 51st car to go through not the 100th nor 10th wait your turn then go.

or is this too simple an idea to grasp if you drive one of those german thingies or a white van or a taxi.

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Colin, merge in turn means just that. It works like a zip fastener, and when done right there is no need for anyone to stop, or barge into the next lane. The problem arises when arrogant people in the inside lane try to stop those in the outside lane doing the job properly.

I'm afraid it comes down to the selfish "I'm here, you deal with it" culture that prevails in the world today.
 
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Relatives from abroad are visiting for a few weeks and I've been taking them around in a Mercedes R Class for 3 days as a truck driver managed to hit my parked car and it is being repaired.

The R class is quite a tall heavy sport saloon (thinks that's how they describe it). Even my relatives have noticed how many car drivers pulled out from behind me at lights to try and get by when they went green. But not BMW and drivers of German cars. We've had the Ford men and Laguna and Scenic boys and Vectra/Vauaxhall variants and a few Halfords Style pimped boy racers and even a few vans.

The trip is a sight seeing, bring back memories of the places two of my relatives visited when they lived here as youngsters trip. No way am I into street racing from the lights as a fifty something plus lady. That said the lardy permanent 4 wheel drive R is no slouch and leaves many cars at the lights without going in to race driver mode. Some of the drivers still had to attempt risky overtaking manouvres, I guess they must want to boast about how they got one up on a Merc or something. I also drive an Alpina BMW and have a life long clean license. No salesman who creeps and sucks up with silly company sound bites sells me anything by the way, and as a lady driver I prefer straight talking mechanics to service desk whitened teeth fixed smile floosies that many dealers have.

A while back it was Mondeo Man or Volvo Squires who took the flack and I assume they are out of fashion and eyes are now fixed on other brands. I traval a bit more than average driver miles each year and see much the same silly actions with drivers of all brands and good driving practice from drivers of all brands.

When it comes to commenting on driving standards it struck me as funny that this was started by a HGV driver. There are many very good HGV drivers that I see but many that could teach wayward BMW or other drivers many more dirty driving tricks.

ps. I'm also not a 30mph in a 50mph limit potter along ditsy lady driver.
 
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Emmo is right in principle but unfortunately it doesn't always work in practice. We've all seen them, the plonkers (usually sales reps with their coat hanging off the door pillar hook) who always have to get passed that extra car and have p*$$ poor judgement.

They usually cause someone at the front of the inside lane to suddenly brake which has a knock on affect. By the time the knock affect reaches the back of the queue this traffic is brought to a crawl. A regular similar happening is when in the inside lane the arrogant plonkers cut across in front of you because they needed to leave the motorway at the exit you are passing and they must get past you but again misjudge it.

It's the same affect that happens when one lorry is overtaking another while doing 1mph faster. The inside and middle lanes collect tailbacks because everyone then is jockeying for the outside lane. After a few miles, and the lorry still hasn't managed to overtake, the tailback is of considerable proportions and actually brings those at the rear to a standstill.
 

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Colin,

A few years ago I would have agreed with your argument in it's entirety, however traffic flow stats show that it is smoother and safer for both lanes in such situations, to be used to their fullest capacity right up to the pinch point.

As a result, you should be seeing fewer and fewer "Get In Lane Now" signs, however my advice is that should you happen across such a sign this summer, please follow the instruction as the authorities will have deemed that method to be most appropriate for the location, and continue to rant (as I would) about anyone continuing past you in defiance of the signs, whatever type or class of vehicle they may be driving.

At the same time, if you come across "Use Both Lanes" and "Merge In Turn" signs, that signage will have been deemed most appropriate for that given location.

The reasoning behind such a decision is based on valid safety implications ie. Where long tailbacks of several miles are perceivable during peak times, it makes no sense at all for those tailbacks to be longer than they need to be and confined to one lane.

Consider the number of extra junctions, interchanges and on/off slip roads that could be affected, with the knock on effect into the smaller roads and communities around such locations, and the fact that every such blocked junction increases the risks of collisions and further delays and misery to those caught up in them.

It is not my arrogance that takes me down an empty lane when it is signed for me to do so, it is my ability to read and obey a simple instruction.. Oh and of course my working knowledge gained from many years of working our Motorways and Dual Carriageways (apologies if you perceive that too as arrogance), it's just what I've done for years, and I have in that time seen drivers prosecuted for unnecessary obstruction when they do block the lanes as described in my earlier post.

"Rolling Road Block" is a term you used, which I think you will find only the Police can legally carry out, and for very good reason too, the lorry or van drivers are not suitably trained and do not have to consider the safety implications of such a manoeuvre and they are definitely not the ones that have to pick up the pieces when it goes wrong, you wouldn't see them for dust.

I agree that if you sit in the inside lane for ages, against the advice of the signs, that human nature will get you fuming at the motorists passing you and driving correctly, so next time you find yourself in such a position, why not safely indicate out and try the other lane, it might just free your inhibitions and you never know, if enough people switch on to it.,it might just catch on and reduce the delays.

I could not begin to understand the financial implications of a major banking decision or the life saving decision of a surgeon saving a life in an emergency, similarly I would not expect a person that has not had a career on the roads to understand some of the decision making that goes on behind the scenes, but the signs are explicit and easy to follow.

On the other matter of my car, Yes I do drive a "German thingie" but it's only a Volkswagen..nice, safe, well built and an excellent towcar, but IMHO not as posh as Mercs, BMWs or Audis and certainly nothing for me to be arrogant about.

Most of the time I drive around in my little Toyota Aygo, keeping the VW mainly for towing and I can guarantee you that sitting that low down with only a foot of bonnet and boot to protect you does not make you feel arrogant, it actually humbles you.

One thing I am certainly not though, is jealous of anyone having a better car than me, nor do I have an inferiority complex, which is where (some of) the above comments seem to be stemming from.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that they are only cars, to get us from A to B.
 

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