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I have got the same problem, shows on my other laptop but not on this one. It has happened several times over the last month or so.
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Even changing to another browser hasn't helped.
I have a suspicion that Gazza's original post may have contained a virus of some sort and my firewall is therefore suppressing the thread from showing up. The reason why I think that is the case is because, for a split second, the computer registered a link that immediately disppeared again.
I have a suspicion that Gazza's original post may have contained a virus of some sort and my firewall is therefore suppressing the thread from showing up. The reason why I think that is the case is because, for a split second, the computer registered a link that immediately disppeared again.
hi parksy not wanting to throw a spanner in the works but if that was the case surely at least the replies would be readable if not the OP Iamsame as lutz nothing but a blank screen on the whole topic
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I don't know why some topics can't be read by some computers Colin, the remainder of a thread is dependent on the first topic though.
Austin the web technician just reported back that there are no viruses after checking it out.
The only thing that I can suggest would be to click on 'Disable rich-text' on the o.p. for topics that are not visible to see if that helps.
Austin the web technician just reported back that there are no viruses after checking it out.
The only thing that I can suggest would be to click on 'Disable rich-text' on the o.p. for topics that are not visible to see if that helps.
Very strange, like Lutz i can now read all of the thread. I havent changed anything but it opened ok.
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This confirms what Austin the technician said, the o.p 'Gazza' wrote his opening post using Microsoft Office, Word, or a similar Microsoft product to write and edit his comment before submitting it to the forum.
Some systems automatically block these products and because the html from this blocked system was contained ( but not visible) in the opening post some computer firewalls detected this and blocked it.
The Microsoft html has now been removed from the post by our edit suite so these computers that had blocked the post can now read it.
Subsequent posts depend on the original in any given thread, if the original is blocked by a forum users computer (or deleted by moderators) then any subsequent posts in that thread would not appear.
'Gazza' the o.p. did nothing wrong in pasting the Microsoft html, he was probably not aware that he did this but it is easy to edit and spell check posts before they are saved to the thread by disabling rich text on the comment box.
The spell checker should then be activated, change any spelling mistakes using the spell check, click preview to edit any other mistakes or make changes and when the post is competed to the forum users satisfaction click Save.
Some systems automatically block these products and because the html from this blocked system was contained ( but not visible) in the opening post some computer firewalls detected this and blocked it.
The Microsoft html has now been removed from the post by our edit suite so these computers that had blocked the post can now read it.
Subsequent posts depend on the original in any given thread, if the original is blocked by a forum users computer (or deleted by moderators) then any subsequent posts in that thread would not appear.
'Gazza' the o.p. did nothing wrong in pasting the Microsoft html, he was probably not aware that he did this but it is easy to edit and spell check posts before they are saved to the thread by disabling rich text on the comment box.
The spell checker should then be activated, change any spelling mistakes using the spell check, click preview to edit any other mistakes or make changes and when the post is competed to the forum users satisfaction click Save.
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Just put in my second reply to this topic and even after following advice it cannot be read although it shows as being listed. I'd remove the topic althogether.
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The trouble is Clive that although there are obviously a few who can't read the topic there are others who can and I don't know why this is.
Your last reply is shown at 09:42 this morning, it was submitted twice before I deleted the duplicate post.
If I remove the topic altogether then there's little chance of the staff at Haymarket identifying the problem which is why I've left it on.
All of the posts appear in the archive correctly, I'll continue to bring these issues to the attention of Haymarket technicians in the hope that they will be able to sort the matter out once and for all.
Your last reply is shown at 09:42 this morning, it was submitted twice before I deleted the duplicate post.
If I remove the topic altogether then there's little chance of the staff at Haymarket identifying the problem which is why I've left it on.
All of the posts appear in the archive correctly, I'll continue to bring these issues to the attention of Haymarket technicians in the hope that they will be able to sort the matter out once and for all.
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Parksy,
thanks for the reply. I can see all of the posts on my wife's laptop which runs XP and Mozilla, but mine is Vista and IE9
Cheers
Otherclive
thanks for the reply. I can see all of the posts on my wife's laptop which runs XP and Mozilla, but mine is Vista and IE9
Cheers
Otherclive
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otherclive said:
If you have a look at the first Sticky post 'FAO Internet Explorer 9 users' at the top of the forum page on this 'Our Website' message board there are some instructions on how to resolve comatibility issues between IE9 and the software used by this website.
I have just had a look on Internet Explorer ( XP Service pack three ) & i can see all of the posts
I use Google Chrome as my main browser & i can see them all again...
Have just copied this from Internet Explorer
Auxillary Spring assistors - Grayston Vs MAD
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Fri, Sep 16 2011, 4:04PM
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Afternoon all,
I'm looking into replacing the standard rear springs on my 2007 Mondeo, for progressive springs. The two main manufacturers being, Grayston Engineering or MAD. Both companies offer the same product but MAD are £45 dearer! Has anyone had experience of either of these makes or can recommend either of them?
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Gazza
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RogerL
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Generally - MAD supply auxilliary variable-rate springs which have more effect when laden, less effect when running light - Grayston supply rubber doughnuts to stiffen the existing springs both laden and unladen..
In general, MAD are better but more expensive.
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Gazza,
Car manufactures do a lot of work to establish the correct spring rates for their products. If you think that when you load your car or add a trailer, the car is too low, then unless there is damage or wear to suspension systems, it almost certainly means you have over loaded the car.
The way to tell if the car is too low is to maesure the height of the LOADED towball and car when fully loaded to manufactureres specifications it shouldl sit no lower than 350mm from ground to centre of the ball.
The use of spring assistes are never necessary, all they do is change ride heights to suite the owners whim. Most importantly they do not increase the load capacity, and they should not be used to repair a faulty vehicle
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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John - I hope you're going to get spring assisters banned then - you'd better include self-levelling suspenion as that isn't "necessary".
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Roger,
Of course I'm not going to get them banned, as some people may want to customise a car and that their right. But as with the towing ratio debate, if people make choices based on misconceptions then the choices may be wrong, and at worst lead them into an illegal act.
In this type of case if someone finds a car that is bottoming when loaded, then simply fitting uprated springs is probably the wrong solution, as the cause is most likely over loading which is illegal, and dangerous.
You seem to be a knowlegable person, yet I am surprised at the number times you knock comments that are aimed at informing people of the logic and legal issuses of a subject.
Never accept 'traditions' and 'common sense' at face value. Quite often you find these matters are based on ideas that may have been formed without proper investigation or evaluation, but because of the herding instinct, and the dogmatic repetition, they have become quasi facts, which is why they so often fail offer the best or even legal soltions.
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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Evening all and thanks for your replies. I have to say and much to my wife’s annoyance, that I am very keen on weights, so much so I have weighed my outfit and then the car and van individually, so I am confident (given the tolerances given by the weigh bridge operator as + or - 50Kg) that my car and van fully laden are not overweight. That said I still believe the car sits too low and would benefit from progressive springs. MAD have commented that their springs will raise the ride height of the car by 10-15mm, which has put me off! Grayston on the other hand say that their progressive springs do not alter the unladen ride height and as designed only benefit the laden ride height of the car. Since Grayston are £45 cheaper and do not alter the unladen ride height, I guess my business will go to them. Thanks again for your replies. Gazza
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Hi Gazza Earlier this year I lost a jockey wheel on a speed hump. I checked the tow ball which was at the correct height of 420mm. above ground level, but with the van on the springs were a bit soft and despite adjusting the loading and double checking the nose weight, I thought the tow ball was a bit low so I fitted a MAD suspension kit. Brilliant! The tow ball was at 460mm. above ground level but this has settled. Plenty of ground clearance now. Also, probably due to the stiffer supplementary springs, the van does not seem to move the van much - when say you are over taken by large vehicles. I would recommend them. Steve G.
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I have seen lots of current and former Mondeos on sites, and as a previous owner of three Mondeos I cannot recall any loading issues with my cars (estates) or anyone mentioning any such issues. Surely given the awards received by Mondeos if the rear was soft then the cars noted ride and handling would not receive such good reviews. Possibly you may be feeling normal ride changes due to a loaded car/towball. Is it a new car to you? I would check the noseweight and distribution of load in the car first and then if it still does not seem right have it checked out at a garage. Are you an experienced caravanner or relatively new as if the latter the motion due to having a car loaded and van attached can be a bit disconcerting at first.
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Steve G,
I amsure you will have read my previus comments regarding the neccesity of spring assistors.
You shoudl also be made aware that there are reulations that define the limits of height for loaded towballs 350 t0 420mm from the ground to the centre of the ball.
By adding your assistors you now have an outfit that fails fo meet that regulation.
If your jockewheel caught a speed hump, then either the hump was to high, or you had not fully retracted your jockewheel.
By over elevating the hitch, you will find the tail of your caravan is now lower that it should be.
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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My recent reply pos has'nt shown through although the website shows eight posts. Here we go again! I have had three Mondeo estates and none have required any form of spring assistance. Given that the current model has won awards for ride/handling solo and twoing I cannot believe that it would be improved by fitting assisters. Are you sure that the car is properly loaded and that the noseweight of the van is within the car's specified limit? Do you carry bikes on the back of the car as these would tend to act in the same way as a noseweight that is too heavy. One other aspect is the feel of the car when towing is different to when solo and for some drivers it takes time to get used to it. Is this a new car to you, or are you a new caravanner? If none of the above applies then I would have the car checked out for any suspension issues before fitting any assisters. I have seen countless Mondeos arrive on site and cannot recall thinking 'That looks very low'.
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If you raise the towball to a higher position after measuring the noseweight with the caravan standing level (which quite a lot of people apparently incorrectly do) then the actual noseweight after hitching up will be less than what was originally measured. This introduces an added risk.
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Gazza
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Afternoon all,
I'm looking into replacing the standard rear springs on my 2007 Mondeo, for progressive springs. The two main manufacturers being, Grayston Engineering or MAD. Both companies offer the same product but MAD are £45 dearer! Has anyone had experience of either of these makes or can recommend either of them?
Cheers
Gazza
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Generally - MAD supply auxilliary variable-rate springs which have more effect when laden, less effect when running light - Grayston supply rubber doughnuts to stiffen the existing springs both laden and unladen..
In general, MAD are better but more expensive.
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Gazza,
Car manufactures do a lot of work to establish the correct spring rates for their products. If you think that when you load your car or add a trailer, the car is too low, then unless there is damage or wear to suspension systems, it almost certainly means you have over loaded the car.
The way to tell if the car is too low is to maesure the height of the LOADED towball and car when fully loaded to manufactureres specifications it shouldl sit no lower than 350mm from ground to centre of the ball.
The use of spring assistes are never necessary, all they do is change ride heights to suite the owners whim. Most importantly they do not increase the load capacity, and they should not be used to repair a faulty vehicle
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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John - I hope you're going to get spring assisters banned then - you'd better include self-levelling suspenion as that isn't "necessary".
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Roger,
Of course I'm not going to get them banned, as some people may want to customise a car and that their right. But as with the towing ratio debate, if people make choices based on misconceptions then the choices may be wrong, and at worst lead them into an illegal act.
In this type of case if someone finds a car that is bottoming when loaded, then simply fitting uprated springs is probably the wrong solution, as the cause is most likely over loading which is illegal, and dangerous.
You seem to be a knowlegable person, yet I am surprised at the number times you knock comments that are aimed at informing people of the logic and legal issuses of a subject.
Never accept 'traditions' and 'common sense' at face value. Quite often you find these matters are based on ideas that may have been formed without proper investigation or evaluation, but because of the herding instinct, and the dogmatic repetition, they have become quasi facts, which is why they so often fail offer the best or even legal soltions.
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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Evening all and thanks for your replies. I have to say and much to my wife’s annoyance, that I am very keen on weights, so much so I have weighed my outfit and then the car and van individually, so I am confident (given the tolerances given by the weigh bridge operator as + or - 50Kg) that my car and van fully laden are not overweight. That said I still believe the car sits too low and would benefit from progressive springs. MAD have commented that their springs will raise the ride height of the car by 10-15mm, which has put me off! Grayston on the other hand say that their progressive springs do not alter the unladen ride height and as designed only benefit the laden ride height of the car. Since Grayston are £45 cheaper and do not alter the unladen ride height, I guess my business will go to them. Thanks again for your replies. Gazza
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Hi Gazza Earlier this year I lost a jockey wheel on a speed hump. I checked the tow ball which was at the correct height of 420mm. above ground level, but with the van on the springs were a bit soft and despite adjusting the loading and double checking the nose weight, I thought the tow ball was a bit low so I fitted a MAD suspension kit. Brilliant! The tow ball was at 460mm. above ground level but this has settled. Plenty of ground clearance now. Also, probably due to the stiffer supplementary springs, the van does not seem to move the van much - when say you are over taken by large vehicles. I would recommend them. Steve G.
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I have seen lots of current and former Mondeos on sites, and as a previous owner of three Mondeos I cannot recall any loading issues with my cars (estates) or anyone mentioning any such issues. Surely given the awards received by Mondeos if the rear was soft then the cars noted ride and handling would not receive such good reviews. Possibly you may be feeling normal ride changes due to a loaded car/towball. Is it a new car to you? I would check the noseweight and distribution of load in the car first and then if it still does not seem right have it checked out at a garage. Are you an experienced caravanner or relatively new as if the latter the motion due to having a car loaded and van attached can be a bit disconcerting at first.
Cheers
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Steve G,
I amsure you will have read my previus comments regarding the neccesity of spring assistors.
You shoudl also be made aware that there are reulations that define the limits of height for loaded towballs 350 t0 420mm from the ground to the centre of the ball.
By adding your assistors you now have an outfit that fails fo meet that regulation.
If your jockewheel caught a speed hump, then either the hump was to high, or you had not fully retracted your jockewheel.
By over elevating the hitch, you will find the tail of your caravan is now lower that it should be.
All advice and opinions given are my own and are given in good faith, unless quoted with references, The reader should verify the information given with relevant professionals
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otherclive
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My recent reply pos has'nt shown through although the website shows eight posts. Here we go again! I have had three Mondeo estates and none have required any form of spring assistance. Given that the current model has won awards for ride/handling solo and twoing I cannot believe that it would be improved by fitting assisters. Are you sure that the car is properly loaded and that the noseweight of the van is within the car's specified limit? Do you carry bikes on the back of the car as these would tend to act in the same way as a noseweight that is too heavy. One other aspect is the feel of the car when towing is different to when solo and for some drivers it takes time to get used to it. Is this a new car to you, or are you a new caravanner? If none of the above applies then I would have the car checked out for any suspension issues before fitting any assisters. I have seen countless Mondeos arrive on site and cannot recall thinking 'That looks very low'.
Cheers
Other Clive
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If you raise the towball to a higher position after measuring the noseweight with the caravan standing level (which quite a lot of people apparently incorrectly do) then the actual noseweight after hitching up will be less than what was originally measured. This introduces an added risk.
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