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My Quattro FB has just had its service. The fridge works fine on gas and mains electric but not 12V. Although I expect 12v is used mainly for towing, and if its not working and the journey is short its not too much of an issue.
Would you get an electrician to check it out or a caravan service centre? Bearing in mind, i was going to be charged £70 just to see if the fault could easily be found and then the repair on top of that
Thank you
 
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12v is only used for towing and the cars engine has to be running. Modern cars with smart alternators can cause problems. One check could be run engine with full lights on, and fans for a/c then see if fridge works. Has your fridge worked okay before? Wiring from car to fridge can drop voltage if it’s not suitable enough.


This might help. It’s not an uncommon problem.

 
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My Quattro FB has just had its service. The fridge works fine on gas and mains electric but not 12V. Although I expect 12v is used mainly for towing, and if its not working and the journey is short its not too much of an issue.
Would you get an electrician to check it out or a caravan service centre? Bearing in mind, i was going to be charged £70 just to see if the fault could easily be found and then the repair on top of that
Thank you
The caravan need so be connected to the car with the car engine running for the 12v feed to the fridge. If you have a car with a Smart alternator then it gets a bit more complicated.
 
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From your older posts it looks like you've had your caravan a few years now; has the fridge worked on 12v when towing before? Have you changed your tow car, because as others have said that's the place to start looking for 12v at the socket.
If you're not sure about troubleshooting it yourself, then I'd go to a towbar fitting specialist and ask them to check the electrics on your car towing socket, they'll be able to tell if there's any live feed to pin 10 (and pin 11 earth return). They'll also know about the effect of smart alternators and so on.
Even if there is no supply, don't immediately think you'll have to spend anything on a wiring repair. When I changed my towcar earlier this year, it turned out that all that was required was for the garage to connect their laptop to the car's electronics module and tick an option for pin 10 to be made active.
Contrary to opinions in other threads on this topic, I've now found my fridge cools down very well towing on 12 v. Almost as fast as when at home plugged in to 240v. I picked it up from storage earlier this week at about 25 deg C and after an hour it was genuinely cold, cold enough to load it with stuff from the supermarket.
 
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Unless I have misunderstood the post…..

Most service centres would use a test box to test the caravan towing electrics, this would include the fridge, I doubt very much they used the OP’s car.
 
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Unless I have misunderstood the post…..

Most service centres would use a test box to test the caravan towing electrics, this would include the fridge, I doubt very much they used the OP’s car.
No one suggested they had, infact there is no suggestion that a service centre has tested the caravan towing electrics.
 
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The opening line “My Quattro FB has just had its service.” then went onto say they wanted £70 to investigate 🤔
He didn't say the service found the fridge wasn't working.
It's quite possible that he knew it wasn't working so when he took it in for its annual service he asked them to have a look and they said "that'll be an extra £70".
 
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He didn't say the service found the fridge wasn't working.
It's quite possible that he knew it wasn't working so when he took it in for its annual service he asked them to have a look and they said "that'll be an extra £70".
I still read it that he had it serviced, while it was still there they wanted £70 to investigate, all I can say that’s the trouble with written word 🤔
 
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It certainly would be good to know if the fridge had worked on 12V when towing previously. However it's entirely possible the tow car has never been wired to provide the 12V for the fridge or the auxiliary power.

We have seen several cases in this forum, where the customer asked for a tow bar and electrics to be fitted, only to find the Aux and Fridge circuits were not wired up. The reason is caravans are exceptional in requiring these circuits, and as caravans are not the majority reason for having tow bars fitted, many "standard" tow bar kits do not include the Aux wiring. It's important to make clear to whoever is fitting the tow bar that you want the aux circuits for a caravan battery and fridge, otherwise a cheaper tow bar fitting is likely to be fitted.
 
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the comments in this post but the 12v car bit has me wondering. When my caravan has stored on driveway fridge is off. A couple of days before a trip I switch it to mains to cool it down as 240v is always plugin.
When towing I switch the power switch on fridge to off. Car electrics supply the power to fridge. My understanding is that 12v battery selection on fridge switch runs off battery, at greatly reduced efficiency. No ?
 
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the comments in this post but the 12v car bit has me wondering. When my caravan has stored on driveway fridge is off. A couple of days before a trip I switch it to mains to cool it down as 240v is always plugin.
When towing I switch the power switch on fridge to off. Car electrics supply the power to fridge. My understanding is that 12v battery selection on fridge switch runs off battery, at greatly reduced efficiency. No ?
The fridge runs off mains, gas or the car battery when the engine is running. It never runs of the caravan battery.
 
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the comments in this post but the 12v car bit has me wondering. When my caravan has stored on driveway fridge is off. A couple of days before a trip I switch it to mains to cool it down as 240v is always plugin.
When towing I switch the power switch on fridge to off. Car electrics supply the power to fridge. My understanding is that 12v battery selection on fridge switch runs off battery, at greatly reduced efficiency. No ?
If you switch the fridge off then it won’t run off of the car (normally) The 12v selection is for running off the car while driving, not to run the fridge off when static
 
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding the comments in this post but the 12v car bit has me wondering. When my caravan has stored on driveway fridge is off. A couple of days before a trip I switch it to mains to cool it down as 240v is always plugin.
When towing I switch the power switch on fridge to off. Car electrics supply the power to fridge. My understanding is that 12v battery selection on fridge switch runs off battery, at greatly reduced efficiency. No ?
Caravan fridge "efficiency" is often misunderstood and the 12V operation has gained a reputation for poor performance when its not actually the fridges fault.

The "efficiency" and "effectiveness" of the fridge is affected by a number of factors, which conspire in caravans to make it seem running on 12V is less effective. These negative factors are more to do with the installation and the way we use the caravan, than the fridge it's self.

Most caravan fridges use the Absorption refrigeration process. This counter intuitively requires a heat source which drives the process. Each of the energy sources, 12V dc 230V ac and gas , do the same thing, they convert the energy into heat, and broadly speaking each will provide roughly the same amount of heat to drive the cycle, so their thermal efficiencies are also much the same. Most under counter caravan fridges consume about 130W of power

If the conditions a fridge is used in are all the same, then the fridge would perform equally well on any of the energy sources including 12Vdc. However in touring caravans, when you select to run it on 12Vdc the installation is wired, so it can only receive 12V power supplied by the tow vehicles alternator is producing power. All this switching is not controlled by the fridge, but by the towing harness in the tow vehicle and the habitation controls in the caravan.

130W of power taken from a 12V source will produce a current of 10.8 Amperes (A) This would be enough to fully discharge a good 100Ah battery in about 9hrs. This is the reason they are only wired to take power from the tow vehicles alternator.

Especially in more modern vehicles Alternators do not produce electrical power all the time. The cars engine management systems only switch the alternator on when it detects a need for it, and unfortunately a caravan fridge is not always recognised by the ecu as a legitimate need. Consequently the fridge will not always be powered during towing. Some cars need to have be reprogrammed so the alternator does produce power mor consistently.

Another factor that can degrade the fridges performance ion 12V s the size of the cable used to make the connection back to the alternator. All wires do have some resistance which restricts the current that can flow through them. Most caravans use wire with a conductor size of 1.5mm CSA this has a resistance of 0.012 Ohms per metre With a current of 10A that means it will cause a voltage drop of approx 120mV per meter length.

The total conductor length between the fridge and the tow vehicles alternator will be dependent on the model of car and caravan but realistically it will be at least 3m in the caravan and 5m in the car a total of 8 or probably more in most out fits, but if we assume an 8m length 8 x 120mV =960mV but that is for the positive feed only, we also have to consider the negative return which could add up to another 8m which will add a further 960mV to make the total voltage losses of about 1.92V. which is removed from the voltage reaching the fridge. This reduces the fridges cooling capacity when on 12V power by about 20%.

As 12V powering is restricted to being sourced from the tow vehicle's alternator, its reasonable to assume if the fridge is receiving power from the alternator it is also likely to be moving and subjected to the stresses and strains of towing. You will see from other threads on the forum how towing can produce some surprising vibrations and motions in a caravan, and of course there is also the air moving around the caravan.

The performance the absorption refrigeration cycle is also affected by physical shocks and movement, both of which are present when the caravan is being towed. And as the fridge also needs external vents to allow the condenser to exchange the heat removed from the fridge, any air flow in the external vents caused by towing will also affect the fridges performance on 12V power.

The combination of all these factors can render the 12V performance of a caravan fridge to be quite poor compared to gas or mains 230V operations which can only be used when the caravan is sited and stationary.Despite all these negatives it can be useful to use 12V power, it will have some cooling capability even in a caravan thats being towed.

It should be noted that some three way fridges have been used very successfully on 12V only in other situations where travelling at high speed is not a factor. Some are fitted to boats, and some have been used in conjunction with a solar panels and battery storage for storing medical supplies in remote locations.
 
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Excellent synopsis, but many cars with the Smart alternator can be an issue if one wants 12v to the fridge. There are a number of workarounds with the best unfortunately not being a cheap solution. As a work around we used ice blocks and found that stuff in the ice compartment stayed frozen for about 30 hours i.e. overnight from Portsmouth to Santander and then onto Zaragoza.
 
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Nice write up Prof, but you are using the alternator output at 12 volts. This is incorrect as Alternators will be producing 13.5 to 14.6 volts, Smart Alt will be cutting in and out.
I wired my earth return from the fridge from the car 13 pin plug directly to the cars Chassis using a heavy gauge wire.
The fridge works great.
 
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Nice write up Prof, but you are using the alternator output at 12 volts. This is incorrect as Alternators will be producing 13.5 to 14.6 volts, Smart Alt will be cutting in and out.
I wired my earth return from the fridge from the car 13 pin plug directly to the cars Chassis using a heavy gauge wire.
The fridge works great.
I am aware that alternators have to produce a higher voltage than the battery so it can force current into the battery. The point of my post was to show that the poorer performance of a typical caravan fridge is not the fault of the fridge, but the way its installed and used. The higher voltage from the alternator will improve things, as will connecting the negative return to the tow vehicle chassis at the tow bar.

Your experience shows it's not all bad news.
 
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