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I just received my copy of the September issue of the German Caravaning magazine. In order to put a future feature article together on 40 years history of Hobby caravans, readers who are or once were owners of Hobby caravans were asked to submit holiday photos of their outfit. One picture, unfortunately too small to reproduce here, shows a family who towed their Hobby 750UML (MTPLM 2000kg) with their Opel/Vauxhall Senator (kerbweight 1500kg, max. towload 2000kg) to the south of France 7 seven times (so the caption says).
 
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This suggestion shows why Martin is a Joiner and I am a Mechanic.

Steve W
What about a heavy spring loaded jockey with a fixed wheel and trye, would that work. Maybe a joiner but loaded with silly ideas. Well done not getting any points.
 
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This suggestion shows why Martin is a Joiner and I am a Mechanic.

Steve W
If the jockey wheel were to pass over a bump in the road it would transmit an enormous upward load to the towball which, in the extreme, could even lift the back end of the car up. This could make handling really dangerous, especially if the bump is in the middle of a bend. Besides, neither towbars nor vehicle underbodies are designed to take very high vertical forces so there'd be a real danger of material failure.

Sorry, a good try and I can understand the logic behind your suggestion, but that won't work either.
 
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07:28 PM If the jockey wheel were to pass over a bump in the road it would transmit an enormous upward load to the towball which, in the extreme, could even lift the back end of the car up. This could make handling really dangerous, especially if the bump is in the middle of a bend. Besides, neither towbars nor vehicle underbodies are designed to take very high vertical forces so there'd be a real danger of material failure.

Sorry, a good try and I can understand the logic behind your suggestion, but that won't work either.

Martin & Lutz.

Perhaps the real answer is to change to a Motorhome, That way you can travel at the maximum allowable speed in any country. Personally I can't think of anything worse, but I am sure I will get shot down for making such a comment.
 
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07:28 PM If the jockey wheel were to pass over a bump in the road it would transmit an enormous upward load to the towball which, in the extreme, could even lift the back end of the car up. This could make handling really dangerous, especially if the bump is in the middle of a bend. Besides, neither towbars nor vehicle underbodies are designed to take very high vertical forces so there'd be a real danger of material failure.

Sorry, a good try and I can understand the logic behind your suggestion, but that won't work either.

Martin & Lutz.

Perhaps the real answer is to change to a Motorhome, That way you can travel at the maximum allowable speed in any country. Personally I can't think of anything worse, but I am sure I will get shot down for making such a comment.
 
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for all you oldies out there (me included)there was a three wheeled caravan shown on tomorrows world back in the mid seventies. i have tried to get info but no luck. from memory the front wheel was hydraulic, when on site a lever was flicked and the hydraulics were disengaged. the a frame was pivoted so no down weight on the tow bar at all.in theory it would be like towing a reliant. this might be the answer to all the loading and snaking problems it if were put into practice.

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Effectively, such an arrangement would turn the caravan into a two (not twin) axled trailer, only that the front axle would only have one wheel. You say the drawbar (or A-frame) was pivoted. Was this only in the vertical plane or did it also pivot sideways like a regular two axled HGV trailer? If only vertically, then the front wheel would have to be a castor wheel rather like a normal jockey wheel.

I have difficulty in imagining how something like that would handle on the roads and strongly suspect that even it solved the snaking issue, one would be faced with the other stability problems, the same ones as any other three-wheeled vehicle.
 
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like i said it was a long time ago ,but because the wheel was hydraulic it would move but under pressure. it was towed up a motorway that was not opened at the time and looked very stable,perhaps it was not as cost effective as a conventional chassis or perhaps it was bought out by another chassis maker and binned bill
 
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My main cause for concern regarding a 3-wheeled caravan would not be straight-line stability but how it would react in the case of quick evasive action (the so-called "Moose Test").
 
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This is an issue that will probably run forever, everyone has their own opinions and thoughts.

What is clear from the replies so far is that most are in agreement that there is a minority out there that do make a bad name for us all and will probably continue to.

I'd like to argue a lot of facts but it's not right not to do it face to face but i would like to ask Colin and Steve how many points they have on their licences because if speedos can be out by 5mph at 60 then they should either send their cars back to be checked or every driver on the road will have points coming out of their ears, sorry, but that's the lamest excuse ever, sure would like to be a fly in the police car listening to that conversation. When someone passes you going 5mph faster it takes them a while, 10mph faster, and you can tell the difference.

I do 1000 miles a week on the 3 main roads in the northwest, M56, M6, and A55, holiday roads, this week alone there has been 4 vans gone over, across the country on average there has been 2 a week since April, abnormally high compared to last year, most have probably been due to weather conditions, today M56 J11, nasty section of road with cross winds, there has also been a lot of jacknifing on slip roads coming off motorways, late braking.

I'm not imposing driving standards on anyone, no-one is perfect, I just see a lot on my travels and always end up looking like an idiot on my own in my van shouting and swearing. Only yesterday I was passed on the A55 coming past RAF Valley by a vanner doing 75mph, i just shook my head.

Personally I think the only solution is to build vans more stable, doesn't take a genius to work out that an axle in the middle will wobble, put it 2/3rds the way back it becomes a trailer and easier to handle, but hey, i'm just a joiner who will once again be out making life hell for all those car drivers on bank holiday choking up the A49 to Bridgenorth.
I agree about moving the axle back but what happen to the nose weight. Ok for LGVs but a car with 50/75 kg. No chance.

Graham W.
 
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Martin, I have been driving for 32 years and have never had a point on my licence. I was you who used the figure of 5mph as the differential between vehicles and the inaccuracy of speedometers is not just my opinon or an excuse.

Colin.
 

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