Cleaning

[cabapino]

New to caravaning New caravan Bailey Pageant series6 Monarch,what cleaning materials do you recomend?

 

[Damian]

Roy, any car shampoo will be ok for the outside, and Tesco's own brand comes out very well in tests, along with a good wax which does nothave abrasive material in it, or Autoglym for polish.

Windows, Autoglym Fast Glass is excellent, but then any good glass cleaner will be ok too.

There is still a bit of a cloud surrounding Fenwicks, and especially Bailey caravans, so just for peace of mind I personally would not use it.

Inside, because of the variety of materials used, READ the recommendations of each manufacturer and stick to that!!

 

[LadyMo]

Roy,

We have used Fenwicks products for the last few years with absolutely no problems and have always had Bailey vans.Their products are so easy to use.Have a look at their web site:-

http://fenwicks.info/caravan_cleaner.htm
Maureen

 

[RobRoy]

Hi Roy,

I,too, think Fenwick's products are brilliant - and I use the cleaner followed by the Bobby Dazzler on the car. It looks great until I have to go up the 1/2 mile drive to my daughter's farm!

Rob S.

 

[Jeff-Pontypridd]

I'd go for Fenwicks, too. Dilute the cleaner 10:1 with water, in a spray bottle, and you also have cheap black streak remover.

 

[Jeff-Pontypridd]

Damian,

What's the cloud you've heard about Fenwicks and partic with Baileys? You have me worried now....

 

[Damian]

Jeff, some time ago, last summer, there was a problem with , particularly Bailey Caravans, where the GRP panels, and especially the front panel, was crazing, and whether or not deliberately at the time, reference was made to the cause being Fenwicks.

Despite numerous emails to Bailey by many people, the doubt was never cleared up, with Bailey simply stating thatthey did not make recommendations about what to use.

As far as I know, the situation remains the same.

I however have used Fenwicks, and I have not had any problems but do not now. I also use Tesco shampoo and more recently am using a special shampoo and polish which are made for the valet trade, and very good they are too!!

 

[Jeff-Pontypridd]

That doesn't say much of Baileys. I'd expect them to know either way. Their relative silence may be a strong hint, though.

Thanks Damian.

 

[BOING]

HERE IS THE FENWICKS REPLY

With reference to the information sent out to Bailey Caravan Dealers. Fenwick's pride themselves on the quality and performance of their products. Their technical knowledge and expertise is highly regarded by customers (the trade, end users and manufactures), The Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club due to dedication and devotion to the caravan industry for over 13 years. With regard to the Bailey Owners Manual Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner is not dissimilar to car shampoo and does not contain any of the chemicals referred to in 5.1.1 (abrasive agents, methylated spirit, white spirit, other solvents or washing up liquid). Therefore to "wash the caravan regularly with a car shampoo" would give similar results as washing with Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner. So why would this invalidate the warranty offered by Bailey Caravans Ltd.

There has to be an existing defect in the material or the way the it has been used for the cracking to become visible to the naked eye after washing. This is not ruled out by the test results as the information provided states that "when Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner was applied to the ABS surface severe cracking became noticeable" Not that it caused the faults in the first place. We understand a material supplier to Baileys is Thompson Plastics.

In their product information sheets Thompson Plastics state that their material can be cleaned with Carafax Concept Parts Cleaner, Humbrol Low Aromatic White Spirit Cleaner and Carafax Distillate Cleaner. Thompson Plastics also state that "the panel should be free of fitting stress", "distortion will increase stress in the moulding and could result in visible surface fractures over time." and "Resistance to any given chemical substance is conditional on the products being installed in a stress free condition." Extremely important considerations as stress could cause visible surface fractures to appear.

Thompson Plastics commissioned independent testing which proved that "the material (Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner) is not deleterious to capped ABS in the relaxed condition."

So if there was any misunderstanding that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner could void the warranty of a correctly manufactured and fitted part, then they are sadly mistaken.

Regards,

Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director

 

[ValA.]

HERE IS THE FENWICKS REPLY

With reference to the information sent out to Bailey Caravan Dealers. Fenwick's pride themselves on the quality and performance of their products. Their technical knowledge and expertise is highly regarded by customers (the trade, end users and manufactures), The Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club due to dedication and devotion to the caravan industry for over 13 years. With regard to the Bailey Owners Manual Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner is not dissimilar to car shampoo and does not contain any of the chemicals referred to in 5.1.1 (abrasive agents, methylated spirit, white spirit, other solvents or washing up liquid). Therefore to "wash the caravan regularly with a car shampoo" would give similar results as washing with Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner. So why would this invalidate the warranty offered by Bailey Caravans Ltd.

There has to be an existing defect in the material or the way the it has been used for the cracking to become visible to the naked eye after washing. This is not ruled out by the test results as the information provided states that "when Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner was applied to the ABS surface severe cracking became noticeable" Not that it caused the faults in the first place. We understand a material supplier to Baileys is Thompson Plastics.

In their product information sheets Thompson Plastics state that their material can be cleaned with Carafax Concept Parts Cleaner, Humbrol Low Aromatic White Spirit Cleaner and Carafax Distillate Cleaner. Thompson Plastics also state that "the panel should be free of fitting stress", "distortion will increase stress in the moulding and could result in visible surface fractures over time." and "Resistance to any given chemical substance is conditional on the products being installed in a stress free condition." Extremely important considerations as stress could cause visible surface fractures to appear.

Thompson Plastics commissioned independent testing which proved that "the material (Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner) is not deleterious to capped ABS in the relaxed condition."

So if there was any misunderstanding that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner could void the warranty of a correctly manufactured and fitted part, then they are sadly mistaken.

Regards,

Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director

Well done! We use Fenwick's, not on our Bailey but our Swift, and think it's great! This time we had clutch and turbo problems so the car was belching out black smoke on the way home - the front of the van was filthy, and it was cleaned with Fenwicks which we've used for a long time. It's now immaculate again.

 

[cabapino]

HERE IS THE FENWICKS REPLY

With reference to the information sent out to Bailey Caravan Dealers. Fenwick's pride themselves on the quality and performance of their products. Their technical knowledge and expertise is highly regarded by customers (the trade, end users and manufactures), The Caravan Club and the Camping & Caravanning Club due to dedication and devotion to the caravan industry for over 13 years. With regard to the Bailey Owners Manual Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner is not dissimilar to car shampoo and does not contain any of the chemicals referred to in 5.1.1 (abrasive agents, methylated spirit, white spirit, other solvents or washing up liquid). Therefore to "wash the caravan regularly with a car shampoo" would give similar results as washing with Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner. So why would this invalidate the warranty offered by Bailey Caravans Ltd.

There has to be an existing defect in the material or the way the it has been used for the cracking to become visible to the naked eye after washing. This is not ruled out by the test results as the information provided states that "when Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner was applied to the ABS surface severe cracking became noticeable" Not that it caused the faults in the first place. We understand a material supplier to Baileys is Thompson Plastics.

In their product information sheets Thompson Plastics state that their material can be cleaned with Carafax Concept Parts Cleaner, Humbrol Low Aromatic White Spirit Cleaner and Carafax Distillate Cleaner. Thompson Plastics also state that "the panel should be free of fitting stress", "distortion will increase stress in the moulding and could result in visible surface fractures over time." and "Resistance to any given chemical substance is conditional on the products being installed in a stress free condition." Extremely important considerations as stress could cause visible surface fractures to appear.

Thompson Plastics commissioned independent testing which proved that "the material (Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner) is not deleterious to capped ABS in the relaxed condition."

So if there was any misunderstanding that Fenwick's Caravan Cleaner could void the warranty of a correctly manufactured and fitted part, then they are sadly mistaken.

Regards,

Jonathon Smith B.Eng Director

Boing

Thanks for the info after reading we can see a possible reason why bailey is sparse with their info