Commercial vehicles??

[kelly2]

Until we can afford to replace my car with a towing vehicle we'll be using my other halfs pick up.

Bit worried as someones told us alot of sites won't let commercial vehicles on them?

Other half owns the truck and although it is sign written with his companies details, it is only a year old and very clean.

I appreciate that sites don't want what looks like 'do what you likies' appearing - just wondering how this is going to effect our holidays

 

[Sproket]

Hi Kelly

What exactly is the type of vehicle that your o/h has ??

 

[YorkiePuds]

kelly I think the wording 'commercial vehicle' refers to transit vans and such like

 

[kelly2]

Crikey, now you're asking - what truck is it??

He's not here to ask but its like a toyota hilux without the truckman top (I think its a Nissan version?)

 

[LMH]

Kelly

When booking over the phone, ask the campsite if they will accept a commercial vehicle.

This year I've travelled in a commercial vehicle - van - a few times. We were allowed on the sites even though my bro has black hair, thick set and we are both from the 'do what you likies' strain of the human race.

Lisa

 

[Damian]

Kelly, best advice is to ring the sites you are using and ask them.

Some sites, such as Riverway in Stratford do not allow ANY commercial vehicles on the touring site.

 

[MikeAce]

A one year old Toyota Hilux is a beautiful machine, whether its sign written or not I would not anticipate many sites turning their noses up at it. (Unless its Tredegar Park CC site in Newport of course who would turn their noses up at the queens Rolls Royce)

I think that the rule on commercial vehichles usually refers to grotty old transit vans and vehicles like that.

Dont worry yourself about it, if they refuse you then its their loss.

 

[Allyson]

I read somewhere or someone told me that if you tow your caravan with a commercial vechicle your warrenty will be void, and I think they also mentioned that if it was also void if you lived in it full time.

So check your warrenty before you pull or decide to live full time in your van.

 

[kelly2]

we don't have a warranty on the caravan and oh can tow with his truck as he does for his business

If need be we'll drop the caravan at our pitch and go park the truck round the corner lol

 

[kelly2]

its a toyota hilux and its actually 2 years old ('der' I should stick to the pink fluffy girly stuff I know)

 

[stuart12]

Hi Kelly,we;ve been towing our van with my Isuzu double cab pickup for years,never had any problems,though I'm not sure about any signwriting you may have.Ithink the no commercials bit is to keep gypsy's away.Cheers,Stuart 1

 

[colouredcob]

Keep the Gypsy's away, all the travellers I know of have top of the range, mitsubishi's L200's and Mercs. A bit stereotypical to assume all transit owners must be gypsy's We have a transit tipper, we could tow with it but we use our gas guzzling carbon footprint creating 4x4 instead haha.

 

[Surfer]

Towing your caravan with a commercial vehicle does not void your warranty. How do you think dealers tow around caravans? As for the warranty being made void by living in it full time, just another myth.

 

[Allyson]

Hi Ian

Can I ask what caravan you have to know this?

Caravans given to flood victims last year by manafactures to be used as temp /permanent homes would done so with the understanding that there would be no manafactures warrenty because they were no longer touring vans, but because full time homes for residence.

Warranty taken from a well known manafactures handbook.

(ix) That the caravan shall be used only for its

ordinary and intended purpose and shall not

be subjected to any condition which could

reasonably be foreseen to cause or result in

damage or excessive wear and tear.

(x) That only private cars or 4x4 type vehicles

substituting as private cars, shall have towed

the caravan.

 

[Allyson]

Another Warranty by another well known manafacturer

(ix) That the caravan shall be used only for its

ordinary and intended purpose and shall not

be subjected to any condition which could

reasonably be foreseen to cause or result in

damage or excessive wear and tear.

(x) That only private cars or 4x4 type vehicles

substituting as private cars, shall have towed

the caravan.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Allyson is correct to question the wording.

I do not know how it came about but several caravan manufactures do stipulate or clearly imply the caravan should not be towed by a commercial vehicle, and the examples given are quite typical.

It was explained that the suspension on commercial vehicles is usually much stiffer than on domestic cars, and as a result greater levels of vibration are transmitted to the caravan through the tow hitch. This type of vibration can be quite destructive, and cause excessive wear and weaken structures.

I recall that a company I think called Dixon-Bate produced a coupling for commercial vehicles that provide vibration damping.

My suspicion is that as Hilux' and other similar vehicles are becoming more popular as private transport, much like the crop of 4x4's that are available they are likely to have the compliant suspension that is not too damaging.

The question of affecting rights under warranty is a little less clear.

All sellers of new product are obliged und the Sale of Good Acts, to supply goods of merchantable quality, and to be fit for purpose. This does not change for a touring caravan purchased for a long term or permanent dwelling.

What will change is that the product will be subject to greater wear and tear, and this will be recognised by the courts if a warranty claim is contested.

Dealers may try to pre-empt the issue by warning customers that some warranty claims may be refused, but that is not a cut and dried position, because all products should have some useful (Warrantable) life even if it is foreshortened by extra usage.

Please note that the position with the manufactures guarantee is different, as the manufacture is not obliged to offer a guarantee they can refuse it or make it as conditional as they like.

 

[Surfer]

John L has highlighted a number of valid points. Firstly to answer Allyson, it still does not state that you cannot use the caravan permanently. What about many people who tour the continent for several months at a time.

We had no issues with ours when we were living in it permanently for well over two years and Lunar were well aware of it. The dealer came on site to do any repairs. Anyway a clause stating that you cannot use a caravan permanently will be deemed unfair by a Court of Law and chucked out.

As I said, dealers tow caravans with commercial Hi Lux type vehicles all the time. Does that mean that the warranty is void?

Can any one please explain the difference between a privately registered Hi Lux type vehicle and a commercial Hi Lux type vehicle? Many private 4 x 4s have a stiff suspension similar to a commercial vehicle otherwise they would not be much good as a 4 x 4 on rough terrain. Again I think it would be an unfair clause.

Numerous people use ordinary cars and 4 x 4 that are actually commercial vehicles. Does this mean that you cannot tow with your commercially registered Mondeo? Many people use a company car to tow their caravan as it woudl be silly to purchase a car for the sole purpsoe of towing a caravan.

The caravans given to flood victims had no warranty in order that they could be sold off cheaply to the governnment or whoever bought them for flood victims. It is a well know fact that part of the cost of a new car or caravan covers the cost of any warranty repairs. By taking away the warranty you probably can sell them for at least

 

[Allyson]

John L has highlighted a number of valid points. Firstly to answer Allyson, it still does not state that you cannot use the caravan permanently. What about many people who tour the continent for several months at a time.

We had no issues with ours when we were living in it permanently for well over two years and Lunar were well aware of it. The dealer came on site to do any repairs. Anyway a clause stating that you cannot use a caravan permanently will be deemed unfair by a Court of Law and chucked out.

As I said, dealers tow caravans with commercial Hi Lux type vehicles all the time. Does that mean that the warranty is void?

Can any one please explain the difference between a privately registered Hi Lux type vehicle and a commercial Hi Lux type vehicle? Many private 4 x 4s have a stiff suspension similar to a commercial vehicle otherwise they would not be much good as a 4 x 4 on rough terrain. Again I think it would be an unfair clause.

Numerous people use ordinary cars and 4 x 4 that are actually commercial vehicles. Does this mean that you cannot tow with your commercially registered Mondeo? Many people use a company car to tow their caravan as it woudl be silly to purchase a car for the sole purpsoe of towing a caravan.

The caravans given to flood victims had no warranty in order that they could be sold off cheaply to the governnment or whoever bought them for flood victims. It is a well know fact that part of the cost of a new car or caravan covers the cost of any warranty repairs. By taking away the warranty you probably can sell them for at least

 

[Allyson]

John L has highlighted a number of valid points. Firstly to answer Allyson, it still does not state that you cannot use the caravan permanently. What about many people who tour the continent for several months at a time.

We had no issues with ours when we were living in it permanently for well over two years and Lunar were well aware of it. The dealer came on site to do any repairs. Anyway a clause stating that you cannot use a caravan permanently will be deemed unfair by a Court of Law and chucked out.

As I said, dealers tow caravans with commercial Hi Lux type vehicles all the time. Does that mean that the warranty is void?

Can any one please explain the difference between a privately registered Hi Lux type vehicle and a commercial Hi Lux type vehicle? Many private 4 x 4s have a stiff suspension similar to a commercial vehicle otherwise they would not be much good as a 4 x 4 on rough terrain. Again I think it would be an unfair clause.

Numerous people use ordinary cars and 4 x 4 that are actually commercial vehicles. Does this mean that you cannot tow with your commercially registered Mondeo? Many people use a company car to tow their caravan as it woudl be silly to purchase a car for the sole purpsoe of towing a caravan.

The caravans given to flood victims had no warranty in order that they could be sold off cheaply to the governnment or whoever bought them for flood victims. It is a well know fact that part of the cost of a new car or caravan covers the cost of any warranty repairs. By taking away the warranty you probably can sell them for at least

 

[Allyson]

Hi Ian

I don't have any questions so you have not answered mine I was only answering a post!

This infomation is in the warrenty info from 2 caravan dealers

regarding thier warrenties.

Warrenty does not kick in until the dealer sells the van and this is when the warrenty starts, these caravan dealers are only pulling the van around the yard and not doing the mileage that caravaners do and over all those speed bumps.

Several months is not full time!

Did you declare to your dealer that you was living in the van full time or did you say it was sited?

As far as the Sale of Goods Act is concerned it refers only to the fact the a van should be fit for purpose and it does not refer to any statutory warrenty only statutory rights.