COVID - 2nd Wave - To go or not to go?

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23rd September 2020 - Day after latest new COVID restrictions, as far as I'm aware advice is, avoid non essential travel. Supposed to leave home (North Wales) travel through Wales to Ludlow (Shropshire England) for a weeks stay. To Go or Not to GO, that is the question. So as is the case "Who wants to be a millionaire", I will ask the audience, (They look like a reasonably intelligent bunch!) Did I hear Boris say "Police and if necessary Army may be recruited?" last thing I want is to get there and in 5 days time find myself trapped there because of a total lockdown or pulled over by some over eager cop or something weird! Any comments!
 
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Of course why not ,you aren't socialising the NHS isn't run over as yet, stuck to the rule of six and support the economy in the area. They are desperate.
 
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People have to take responsibility for their own actions. This is part of the HMG message. There’s enough experience and advice out there to aid decisions.

We are off to Wareham tomorrow and still plan on Norfolk at half term. Although I need to check Norfolk’s T&C if cancellation is required. The site in Wareham has some quite onerous conditions not relating to lockdown restrictions but if a client gets ill with Covid.
 
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There's major criticism that England's restrictions aren't tough enough but it's up to each individual's conscience whether to operate within the published guidelines and legal restrictions or self-impose a more restrictive regime.
 
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UK Gov Advice this morning.
3.3 Can I go on holiday? Can I stay in my second home?
Yes.

However, you should not go on holiday in England with people you do not live with (or who are not in your support bubble) in a group larger than 6 people. Doing so is against the law. You should ensure you maintain social distancing with anyone you do not live with or is not in your support bubble.

Section 3:

 
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UK Gov Advice this morning.
3.3 Can I go on holiday? Can I stay in my second home?
Yes.

However, you should not go on holiday in England with people you do not live with (or who are not in your support bubble) in a group larger than 6 people. Doing so is against the law. You should ensure you maintain social distancing with anyone you do not live with or is not in your support bubble.

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So what’s your decision then?
 
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We are still intending to go down to Somerset at the start of the month, no big mixing with others, maybe sit outside socially distancing. The Police have to give a leeway to travel home if a clampdown happens.
 
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I am definitely going away early October. In the middle of nowhere, darkest depths of Somerset, a Pub with a hostile Landlady , a self imposed caravan Lockdown could be on the cards. But we will still have fun👍👍👍
 
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People have to take responsibility for their own actions. This is part of the HMG message. There’s enough experience and advice out there to aid decisions.

We are off to Wareham tomorrow and still plan on Norfolk at half term. Although I need to check Norfolk’s T&C if cancellation is required. The site in Wareham has some quite onerous conditions not relating to lockdown restrictions but if a client gets ill with Covid.
Hi OC i hope you have a great time but Take Care Keep Safe
 
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If I have understood the rules correctly some areas of Wales are now out of bounds, but otherwise you can go. I do not see that using the caravan is any more of a risk than staying at home but what you do when you get there may be limited. If what you want to do is available then I see no problem.
 
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It depends on how you personally view the risks to yourself and/or to others. and you need to account for the few who don't care and will invade your space even though you may have taken personal precautions.

If the R number remain high for much longer expect more sever social restrictions.
 
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The last week graphs show a significant increase in the number of confirmed cases, barely 1000 less than March. I fear another full lockdown is coming😢😢
 
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The last week graphs show a significant increase in the number of confirmed cases, barely 1000 less than March. I fear another full lockdown is coming😢😢
But the view for March is that overall cases in the community were at the 100000 per day mark. But without test data over that period you can only rely on scientific models. With the greater intensity of testing now there are bound to be more cases revealed. Back in March it was only hospital cases tested.
 
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We've got a long weekend booked for the end of October (my birthday weekend if anyone cares :) ), but depending on how the case numbers go I may be working anyway (I'm in the NHS). But as long as I'm not working we plan to go - winter caravanning for us pretty much involves not moving outside the 'van anyway!
 
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That’s very true. However in March we had no testing at all and the confirmed cases were actual. Here in September the actual cases are real but we can now compare against numbers of tests done. Hopefully with more meaningful data the boffins may improve their algorithms improving accuracy of forecast. The real meaningful data for me are the actual in real time.
 
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That’s very true. However in March we had no testing at all and the confirmed cases were actual. Here in September the actual cases are real but we can now compare against numbers of tests done. Hopefully with more meaningful data the boffins may improve their algorithms improving accuracy of forecast. The real meaningful data for me are the actual in real time.
Although the ONS data tends to be two weeks behind their widespread random tests show the actual number of cases to be about twice the numbers reported per day x7. So if we are at 5000 reported ONS survey would show 10000 per day.
 
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Yesterday I had to have my battery changed. None of the staff were wearing masks and customers were wandering around inside the premises with no masks. No sanitiser or similar in sight.
On speaking to a staff member he came right up to me to discuss the issue even though I kept backing off until I was sitting in the driver's seat again. No wonder a second lockdown is on the cards!
 
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Yesterday I had to have my battery changed. None of the staff were wearing masks and customers were wandering around inside the premises with no masks. No sanitiser or similar in sight.
On speaking to a staff member he came right up to me to discuss the issue even though I kept backing off until I was sitting in the driver's seat again. No wonder a second lockdown is on the cards!
Most councils have an anonymous reporting line. I used ours when I booked a haircut and walked out as they weren’t even paying lip service to guidelines.(English) I told them why I was leaving. Yet the Turkish one i then booked was absolutely meticulous even putting new covers on the chairs between customers. Don’t muck around we all pay the penalty for the anti social approach that you have described.
 
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I do wonder about how the figures really compare. The March ones were at a time when very little testing was done and many people seem to have had the virus and either did not notice or it was never reported. Now we have a lot more testing with more infections being picked up, so how near we are to earlier figures is impossible to tell as the statistics are based on a very different system. It is not good news though.
 
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I think when determining the 'Shall we go or Shall we not'.

its just not the 'Personal Risk' that should be taking into consideration.... But also the much bigger picture if you pick up the virus, how many more people might you infect!

I've just been away, but very much kept to our self, didn't visit a pub, we'd didn't use onsite facilities but our own, were lucky that we could connect to grey waste but alas, didn't have a water mains kit with us.

Why did we do this, well I do Nursing Care, so if I caught it, not realise or show symptoms, the impact in our nursing home could be very nasty indeed, so for me it was a case yep I will go as long as I can keep the 'risk' the same has though I was at home.

But I do believe in that its not the personal risk to consider but the very much bigger picture of 'Where you could be spreading it if you're unfortunate to catch it. Is the most important part of the consideration
 

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In the end I think you have to ask the basic question-"How is going away in my caravan more dangerous to others and myself than staying at home?"
Assuming we are socially responsible (which, to be honest, not all caravaners are) AND adhere to all the guidance, then I cannot see that going away in a caravan is the wrong thing to do.
In many ways a caravan is the archetypal isolation pod.
But the onus in this situation is on US.
 
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In the early days caravans were included with the 'hospitality' group such as hotels etc. As there is now pressure on HMG to keep hospitality working the caravan site business should be OK.
However what happens if there is another full lockdown? Will you be able to get home with or without the caravan, or will you be stuck where you are for weeks? AND if that happens how do you get food shopping - I can't see Tesco delivering to pitch 49 on the CMC site at Sandringham, can you?
 

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.......Will you be able to get home with or without the caravan, or will you be stuck where you are for weeks? AND if that happens how do you get food shopping - I can't see Tesco delivering to pitch 49 on the CMC site at Sandringham, can you?
You could opt for the Click & Collect service to minimise risk by not having to traipse around a supermarket for groceries.
 
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In the early days caravans were included with the 'hospitality' group such as hotels etc. As there is now pressure on HMG to keep hospitality working the caravan site business should be OK.
However what happens if there is another full lockdown? Will you be able to get home with or without the caravan, or will you be stuck where you are for weeks? AND if that happens how do you get food shopping - I can't see Tesco delivering to pitch 49 on the CMC site at Sandringham, can you?
Surely the same as last time. You head for home. There was no problem in people going home from UK or overseas sites. The only time you should stay put would be if you are positive. But it’s a hypothetical question as at this time it’s not really practicable to second guess any future decisions. If anyone has concerns in that direction they should just stay at home and abide by the guidance.
 
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