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Well, here we go...bought our dealer special Lunar Quasar in May 2015, brand spanking new. Minor problems to start, faulty microwave, quickly replaced, Omnivent packed in, again, quickly replaced. First service came and went with no faults found.
Spent New Year over at Keswick, nothing out of the ordinary noted. And then...stayed in York at the end of January. As I was busy with the outside jobs, my wife was just as busy unpacking and setting up inside. She called me in to look at the toilet wall. . There was obvious damp running along the offside wall, spreading behind the toilet and running along the back wall. Oh well, these things happen. Later, just as beer o' clock came around, she pointed to the wall behind my head. Yup, more damp coming through the wall board. A further look inside the overheard locke reveale damp and water which appeared to be coming in around the joining strip and the front panel. So, on getting home, reported this to the dealer, where we also store the caravan. A couple of days later, they called and confirmed damp in the ceiling, offside and rear walls ranging from 40% to 45%. Warranty claim to be put in.
Had booked to go to Thirsk last weekend to meet up with Friends. weather was not the best. Had a close look at the nearside and found damp in the lockers, with the wall boards visibly stained. Back to the dealer today who has checked these new areas and reported damp up to 60%. Not good, and another warranty claim submitted. Whatever the outcome, and I know it's going to be a long process, but I'll keep you updated. Has anyone else had this much water ingress repaired under warranty and what can expect? Should I be checking anywhere else eg the floor? Oh well, these things are sent to try us. Rick.
 
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I am sorry to hear of the problems with damp in your caravan, and unfortunately it doesn't seem to be uncommon. Even with the supposed improvement in build techniques I still see posts such as yours on forums. Your dealer seems to be responding positively but it may be worth you looking at some of the posts by Prof John who gives very good guidance re your rights under UK consumer law. From your description of the damp ingress it may be that your dealer may not be able to carry out an invisible repair and as such your caravan would be reduced in value which would affect its trade-in/selling price. Look at the thread re the Buccaneer Galera and you will see an input by Prof John. My advice would be to speak to Citizens Advice as well and be firm (but fair) with your dealer regarding your rights as a Buyer and theirs as the Seller of the caravan. Don't take excuses that Lunar won't help, or anything like that. It's the Seller who must accept responsibility for unsatisfactory goods.
 
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Thanks for your reply, I will look upthe other thread mentioned. It's only the start of the process, so we'll see how the dealer, and Lunar, respond. Rick.
 
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Edit Notes.
Whilst i was composing this reply Otherclive seems to have beaten me to it. :) But I still think my reply below may help ;)

Hello Rick,

Its always sad to read of caravanner's with damp problems. These issues really shouldn't happen. Caravan manufacturers have had over 50 years of design and build experience and they should have mastered water ingress problems permanently long ago. But they haven't and its customers who have to face the inconvenience, disruption and disappointment.

Based on you posting and the levels of damp you report, it's highly likely there will be considerable unseen damage in the wall, and extensive repairs will be necessary, it's a bit like an iceberg, where what you see is usually a relatively small proportion of what really going on.

Properly carried out repairs can restore the full functionality of the caravan, and it could easily last for many years without further problems, but whether the caravan will look as it its been repaired depends on the competency of the repairer and the extent of the repairs.

If there is visible damage will it will affect its resale value, but even if the repairs is invisible, if you are asked if the caravan has suffered damp, you cannot lie. This is no fault of your own, it's actually the responsibility of the seller who has sold unsatisfactory goods in the first place, after all you did not order a faulty caravan did you?

You tell us you purchased the caravan in May 2015. Even though you may not have realised it, you contract to purchase the caravan is subject to the rigours of the Sale of Goods Act. (SoGA). For a purchase like a caravan this affords you up to 6 years of legal rights with the seller. This is not the same as the Manufacturer's Warranty which is actually a separate contract.

Either way you should not be disadvantaged by the failure of the product,and your legal rights under SoGA should ensure that a fair and equitable solution should be found.

I strongly suggest you search for information about SoGA which may give you extra leverage if the repairs are protracted or unsatisfactory.

Incidentally whilst you dont tell us if you purchased the caravan new or secondhand but either way the same legal principles apply, good must conform to contract.
 
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Just to add to the above if you are a member of either of the clubs they both have very good Legal Helplines who will be very familiar with this problem. If not you may find you have this cover with your house insurance or any union membership. The Citizens advice do give good advice and draft letters on their website and have a very good helpline so you can talk it through with them if need be.
Not sure how you bought the caravan but if any part was bought on a credit card (usually any deposit) or you used HP you have additional rights against the finance companies involved and you would be as well notifying them of the problem and the potential of a claim against them if you cannot resolve the matter with the dealer.
You do need to make sure the dealer knows you are aware of your rights under SOGA though as most pretend it does not exist until confronted. Hope you have a good dealer as their reaction is vital with these issues.
 
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Rick, have a very good look around your van, our 2013 Coachman a year ago developed a crack in the rear panel, replaced under warranty. Only 14% damp inside. But I had not noticed it really, thought at first it was a dirt streak.

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Thanks to all who have taken the time to reply. Just a quick couple of updates...The caravan was bought new, and bought with cash (bank transfer) and part ex on my previous 'van,
Regarding a crack in any of the GRP panels, I'll need to give it a good wash first, but I strongly suspect a failure where the roof and GRP panels join. The roof tends to pool standing water at this point and we have to leave it "nose up" when in store. This leads to a much smaller pooling at the rear roof/GRP joint but seems the best of a bad job.
Now, as time allows,with help from this and other forums, I'll research my rights and the dealers responsibilities. And finally, I am a member of both C&CC and CC, plus have legal advice though a union membership scheme. Thanks again. Rick.
 
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A further update...Called at the dealers to collect the keys left with them to gain access for the second damp test. The service manager was back, I think he had been busy setting up for the NEC. Told me they believed the roof joint was the culprit for a lot of the ingress and that this was not the first one he had dealt with on the 2015 range. he had sent his team down to the storage area Friday pm to do a temporary repair. Sadly, we had already hooked up and left for the weekend. He was happy that the correct jointing strip and a drying out period in their workshop will solve that issue. the ingress around the nearside wheel arch will be dealt with seperately. Any staining on wall surfaces can, if necessary, be sorted by a new covering (in effect, wallpaper). If it works, I'm happy, as the layout suits us. Regardless, I believe under the SoGA, I have to give them a chance to effect repairs. May be a while before I have further updates, so I may be confined to contributing to other threads. Thanks for reading/advice/replies so far. Rick.
 
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dibs958 said:
.... Regardless, I believe under the SoGA, I have to give them a chance to effect repairs. May be a while before I have further updates, so I may be confined to contributing to other threads. Thanks for reading/advice/replies so far. Rick.

Correct, You have to allow them to make reasonable repairs, Sadly unlike the later Consumer Rights Act which cam in in Oct 2015, where the seller has only one chance to effect a proper repair, SoGA is not so specific. However don't take it lying down, if its not right say so and press for a proper job, or if there has been several attempts (cant tell you how many, but Id guess two) press for a refund of the market value of the caravan as if it had not been faulty, or compensation for the loss of value. These are you rights!
 
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