earth leakage device has anyone seen these

Jul 5, 2005
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Hello,

I bought a 1992 caravan, which is in exceptional condition, and when using for the first time on a site all mains power went off after having been operating for several hours without any problems. I tried resetting all the individual RCBs and also the main RCB in the caravan, which led to the parks electrical hookup point throwing its RCBs. After much headscratching and retrying by myself and the park owner, I contacted the person who I bought the caravan from who offered this explanation and cure.

The explanation was that the problem was not with the caravan but with the sites plugin point, and that there was an earth leakage in the sites plugin point, which could be caused by something as simple as humidity or a little condensation. He then told me to look near where the electrical control panel in the caravan was and I would see what was a large black jackplug,which was wired into the earth wiring system, and to pull this out and try resetting the RCBs, this cured the problem and the electrical supply was then OK to the caravan.

Further explanation was that these "devices" were fitted to caravans by the manufacturers several years ago for this specific purpose, as it was found that caravans were "tripping out", because of this earth leakage problem on some sites, and that when the jack plug is removed from the jack plug socket, the earthing is then through the caravan to earth, as this is the easiest route, and to prove that the caravan was electrically safe as far as earthing went to test the RCB circuitry by operating the "test" button on the caravans electrical panel, which I did and which worked perfectly and tripped off the power.

The site owner said he had never came across this problem or this "device", and reckoned it was some sort of "home made device", which of course concerns me.

The final "test" the site owner and I tried the following morning was to reinsert the jack plug and try again, with the same result as previous, all the RCBs in the caravan "tripped", and then I asked to be plugged into another site electrical point that he and I knew had been in use the previous evening, and the electrics worked perfectly (with jackplug inserted, i.e. normal use), which would appear to prove the info given to me was correct by the previous owner.

My questions are, is what Ive said seem OK, has anyone had experience of similar, were these devices indeed fitted by manufacturers (Abbey), and most important, when this jackplug is removed, is the 240 volt electrical safety in anyway compromised.

Many thanks for any info, explanations received, as I'm a novice at caravans.

Annbank
 
May 20, 2005
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Ann from what you have described I am worried I have no first hand knowledge of this caravan/jack plug, as a qulified Electrician I would advice you to have it checked out.

If I was checking the van I would do an earth loop impedence test with the jack plug connect and disconnected.
 
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Hello Quitin,

I do not know how much knowledge you have of electrical systems and regulations, but what you describe sounds both illogical, and from my previous experience of IEEE regs. (circa 1990) probably not compliant.

As Paul suggests I agree it would be wise to have your caravan checked by a competent electrician.

I am concerned about your "jack plug" as it sounds as though it might be wired to disconnect the appliance earths from the in coming supply. The earth should more correctly be called a Continuous Protective Conductor (CPC) and by interrupting it, it can no longer provide the protection it is designed to do. Because the RCD is up stream pressing the test button will still cause it to operate. If my suspicion is correct, then your appliances could be come live to the touch under fault conditions!

By way of explanation, an RCD or RCCD compares the current flowing in the Live and Neutral conductors passing through it. If there is a difference of only a few mA, it trips and isolates the circuit. An imbalance will be caused by a fault, usually to earth, however The RCD does NOT monitor the earth.

The RCD only monitors and protects the circuits 'down stream' and it will not detect a fault on the supply side, so it is very unlikely that a site fault would cause your trip to operate.

If there is a site problem with an earth leakage, then that would only cause your trip to operate if an item of your equipment is faulty as well and has some connective path between earth and live or neutral. So removing the jack plug could prevent tripping.

My suspicion falls heavily on some item in your caravan being faulty, and the black box should be viewed with great concern. Get your caravan properly checked.
 
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John/Paul,

Many thanks for your input, one thing I think I forgot to mention is that there is continuity in the earth circuit whether the jack plug is inserted into the socket or removed from the socket, as there is a connection across the socket allowing continuity, my layman interpretation as to this is this somehow alters the "loading" on the earth circuit and allows the system to operate without tripping out. Sorry I can't be more specific. Again my thanks for any contributions

Regards

Quintin
 
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Hi again Quintin,

Got it right this time.

Your further information confusses the issue further, and as I am not familiar with the device or your caravan, I conclude that the only sensible and safe thing to do is to have a competent electrican investigate and pronounce.

Best of luck
 
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This isn't an issue for amatuer electricians, however experienced. Get a qualified electrician to check your caravan and restore it to normal, approved, specification.
 

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