espace or grand espace max tow ball weight

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

hi my friend is looking to change there car an just wanted to know the max box ball weight on a espace or grand espace 2005-2006.

i hope you can help.

thanks

jo-anne

 

[Damian]

The towball weights for the Espace range are 80 or 85 kg depending on model

 

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

hi damien thanks for that, they are either getting the 2.2 dci, 2.0 (it is a diesel) 150 bhp dimanique?, or a 2.0 (diesel) 175 bhp. can you help anymore.

thanks

 

[Damian]

Hi Jo-anne, they are both 85kg according to my book.

Hope this helps, but check with the dealer to make sure.

 

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

hi damien, and thanks for that. its the seat alhambra 1.9 tdi 85 aswell?.

thanks again

jo-anne

 

[Damian]

Hi Jo anne, sorry, dont have info on Fiats, so cannot help you there.

 

[Lutz]

The max. noseweight of the Seat Alhambra is also 85kg, which is strange as the VW Sharan which comes from the same stable, and is basically the same car, has 100kg noseweight.

 

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

The max. noseweight of the Seat Alhambra is also 85kg, which is strange as the VW Sharan which comes from the same stable, and is basically the same car, has 100kg noseweight.

hi lutz i was always told the sharan had less max tow ball weight than the alhambra.

what year is this on and where did you find the ifo i could do with some up to date info on this.

thanks

jo-anne

 

[Icemaker]

all three vehicles, vw sharran , seat alhambra, ford galaxy (old) have the same nose weight of 85 kgs in the uk. I had to check when i bought my alhambra as the book stated the nose weight as 100kgs but practical caravan and others all stated 85 kgs, seat confirmed in writing that the nose weight was 85 kgs in the uk and the hand book was wrong.

ask you friend to check the towing ability of the espace, i really wanted one but found that due to renaults very stingy max train weights the grande espace 2.2 dci dynamique was not capable of towing my van which at the time was a ace celebration 490 twin axle unless i carried absolutely nothing in the car other than the driver, no passengers nothing. this is why i went for the alhambra which i have found to be a far better car anyway, not as technically advanced or as "gizmotised" as the espace but a better car for what i want which is tow car and family work horse.

seat alhambra 1.9 tdi 130 sx 6 speed manual

max power 130 bhp just short of 300 pound torque (mine is uprated to 172 bhp and just shy of 400 pound torque)

kerbweight 1760 kgs

max tow 2000 kgs

train weight 4000 kgs

tow ball weight 85 kgs

roof load 75 kgs

fuel economy solo average 48 mpg up to 55 mpg on motorway, towing average 35 mpg with coachman vip 530 at 1600 kgs laden

The espace max train weight is made up of the cars kerbweight plus the cars max tow weight there is no aditional allowance unlike the alhambra, all models have different weight so you do need to check carefully, and be aware that my renault dealer did not have a clue, he just said and i quote " its bigger than the alhambra so if that car can tow your van this car will do it easily" how wrong he was.

 

[GillC1]

jo-anne

I think this is also down to personal preference, i have owned a 1.9td galaxy and now have an espace, and i prefer the espace, it tows well and has loads of space

 

[Icemaker]

Hi Gill, its got nothing to do with preferances with me as i stated i really wanted and did actually sign the order form for the espace but i was able to cancel as the salesman had misinformed me as to the cars ability.

basically the grande espace i ordered had a kerbweight of 1790 kgs and a max tow of 2000 kgs its max train weight was therefore 3790 kgs as plated, the problem was my van laden was 1800 kgs take this weight off the max tow and i was left with only 200 kgs of loading available for the van and car take my weight of 70 kgs off this and i am left with just 130 kgs, my wife two teenage kids and two dogs would have to be mighty thin for this car to remain legal if they wanted to travel with me. in comparison the alhambra has 410 kgs of additional loading available to me, nearly half a ton which is more than double the ability of the espace and the reason i now believe the alhambra to be the better tow car. if the espace was legally capable of towing my van i would definately try one but it isnt.

sales men will attempt to sell you anything and we need to be vigilant to stay safe.

 

[Lutz]

The Bosal towbar catalogue states 85kg max. noseweight for VW Sharan/Seat Alhambra/Ford Galaxy manufactured prior to April 2000 and 100kg after that date.

 

[Lutz]

Hi Gill, its got nothing to do with preferances with me as i stated i really wanted and did actually sign the order form for the espace but i was able to cancel as the salesman had misinformed me as to the cars ability.

basically the grande espace i ordered had a kerbweight of 1790 kgs and a max tow of 2000 kgs its max train weight was therefore 3790 kgs as plated, the problem was my van laden was 1800 kgs take this weight off the max tow and i was left with only 200 kgs of loading available for the van and car take my weight of 70 kgs off this and i am left with just 130 kgs, my wife two teenage kids and two dogs would have to be mighty thin for this car to remain legal if they wanted to travel with me. in comparison the alhambra has 410 kgs of additional loading available to me, nearly half a ton which is more than double the ability of the espace and the reason i now believe the alhambra to be the better tow car. if the espace was legally capable of towing my van i would definately try one but it isnt.

sales men will attempt to sell you anything and we need to be vigilant to stay safe.

Are you sure the max. gross train weight was only 3790kg? All the specs I have seen for the Grand Espace quote figures between 4000kg and 4200kg depending on engine variant.

 

[Icemaker]

Not sure where this incorect information is being printed Lutz but like i said even the handbook was incorectly printed in respect to my car which is a 2005 seat alhambra 1.9 tdi 130 manual, the handbook stated 100 kgs but evry where i read said it was 85 kgs. i rang seat technical on 0500 222 222 and haa letter in front of me which reads and i quote " i would like to advice you that i have contacted the seat technical department who have informed me that the noseweight for towing for your seat alhambra reg number ******* is 85 kgs and not the 100 kgs incorectly printed in literature,regards ************* customer service advisor seat uk customer service center". and as all three derivatives are identical the galaxy whos literature corectly states 85 kgs and the vw are also 85 kgs.

On the second point regarding the espace i quoted the weights for the model i was looking to purchase which was the 2.2 dci dynamique grand espace 2005 model, after long discusions with renault i again have a letter from customer services stating that the max train weight is made up of the cars kerbweight plus the max tow limit with no extra allowance for loading, i seem to remember having this discussion before with you Lutz where you agreed with me on the low max train weight of renaults. best regards for christmas Lutz and a happy new year. (gary) icemaker.

 

[Lutz]

Obviously, someone either at Bosal or Seat has got their lines crossed somewhere (I don't know who). Here's the link to the page in the Bosal catalogue:

Bosal spec. VW Sharan towbar

There is definitely no link between kerbweight, max. towload and max. gross train weight. If gross train weight happens to be the sum of kerbweight and max. towload, then this is pure coincidence. If you were told otherwise by your contact at Renault, then he or she did not know what they were talking about.

 

[Lutz]

ps: If you have a look in Renault's own website, you will find that the max. gross train weight of the Grand Espace Dynamique 2.2dCi 140 automatic is 4200kg. So, here again, either something has changed since the 2005 model or there is a disconnect somewhere at Renault.

 

[Icemaker]

I can only assume that the new model that was released late 2005 has had modifications or renault has just decided to up the limits, i still have the original 2005 brochure and renaults letter and both state the tow weights i have quoted but as you say the car now has far improved limits. its a shame really as renault lost a 25 grand sale from me due to the information they gave.

it would appear that the caravan scene is having quite a big influance on manufacturers these days as i also note that the new honda 4x4 has now got a 2000 kg tow limit up from that measely 1500 - 1600 that the old model had. the car should be worth a look as it has lower emmisions better economy and more power than the old model plus a smart little badge on the back proclaiming that not all 4x4's are bad.

 

[Jo-AnneFairway5402010]

thanks everyone for your help on this matter. i think they will be getting the seat alhambra 2.0 tdi 2006 model, lovely. i think i might be getting a seat alhambra 1.9 tdi 130 bhp that would be nice.

thanks

jo-anne

 

[ProfJohnL]

Are you sure the max. gross train weight was only 3790kg? All the specs I have seen for the Grand Espace quote figures between 4000kg and 4200kg depending on engine variant.

Hello Lutz,

I can confirm thet GTW of my 2000 W reg (phase 3)2.2 dti Grande Espace is stated on the data plate at 3790Kg!

I dont know about mre recent versions, but as with Icemaker, I sometimes tow a large T/A box trailer load close to 2000Kg and to keep legal I have no payload or other bodies in the vehicle.

 

[seth1]

all three vehicles, vw sharran , seat alhambra, ford galaxy (old) have the same nose weight of 85 kgs in the uk. I had to check when i bought my alhambra as the book stated the nose weight as 100kgs but practical caravan and others all stated 85 kgs, seat confirmed in writing that the nose weight was 85 kgs in the uk and the hand book was wrong.

ask you friend to check the towing ability of the espace, i really wanted one but found that due to renaults very stingy max train weights the grande espace 2.2 dci dynamique was not capable of towing my van which at the time was a ace celebration 490 twin axle unless i carried absolutely nothing in the car other than the driver, no passengers nothing. this is why i went for the alhambra which i have found to be a far better car anyway, not as technically advanced or as "gizmotised" as the espace but a better car for what i want which is tow car and family work horse.

seat alhambra 1.9 tdi 130 sx 6 speed manual

max power 130 bhp just short of 300 pound torque (mine is uprated to 172 bhp and just shy of 400 pound torque)

kerbweight 1760 kgs

max tow 2000 kgs

train weight 4000 kgs

tow ball weight 85 kgs

roof load 75 kgs

fuel economy solo average 48 mpg up to 55 mpg on motorway, towing average 35 mpg with coachman vip 530 at 1600 kgs laden

The espace max train weight is made up of the cars kerbweight plus the cars max tow weight there is no aditional allowance unlike the alhambra, all models have different weight so you do need to check carefully, and be aware that my renault dealer did not have a clue, he just said and i quote " its bigger than the alhambra so if that car can tow your van this car will do it easily" how wrong he was.

i think your torque figures are a bit out the 150,s only have 238pounds feet,are you mixed up with nm,s measurement?