Vic, there are many places that don't exlude people because of race or religion; this doesn't mean it's OK to have racist clubs etc. It's exactly the same to exlude people from a family past-time because of age. If you don't like people, don't go camping. I've had many people driving their cars through our pitch to go to the toilet because it's raining, my kids can see that this is a minority of adult car drivers and so we will not be looking for sites with a ban on car driving adults. If they can be that grown up and inclusive, why do some adults think they have more rights than my children? Your right on one thing, it is sour grapes, that I'm exluded from a site full of smug people on a site with nothing to do but tut at how nasty children are, oh, I think I'm cured!