hi graham , we were new to caravaning ourselves . we live in wales but travelled to highly recomended chipping sodbury caravans to look . we went for a new bailey ranger , you dont have to pay the £450 delivery there as you do in wales . we went in the end of nov . ended up buying a two year old senetor vermont.They were desperate to get rid of the older models to make room for new batch. £ 14000 new , but we had it for £9500. they knocked £700 off the £10,200 asking price , it had a mover on it , an alloy wheel lock worth £130. after we bought it , they threw in a wastemaster , aqua roll ,110 v leisure battery and number plate. when i phoned up for reg no to insure it they told me they had made a mistake , it was only one year old but i could have it for same price !!!great to deal with as is aftersales .it was like either buying a brand new basic fiesta or a two year old mondeo with all the toys and from a reputed dealer , peace of mind . hope this experience helps