Hi im looking at getting a diesel mondeo but which is the best obviously the best tdci is the 130 but what is the best tddi or the tdci? cheers
ford mondeo tdci v tddi
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no competition tdci every time. make sure of full service history and if poss estate with self levelling suspension, ghia and above.
Don't rule out the 2.2 tdci version [155 bhp]and even more toque,made from 2004/2007. But with any tdci be careful, they do have issues with DMFs and indeed injectors with mileage as low as 50k.
Can be expensive, but lots around at pretty low prices so should be pretty good value either way.
Can be expensive, but lots around at pretty low prices so should be pretty good value either way.
i have got an 02 plate 2.0 tddi mondeo (90bhp) have had no probs at all, tows 2004 bailey discovery 200 with ease, very economical.
Hi! We have an 07 mondeo 2ltre diesel tdci ghia,140bhp.It tows like a dream!Very economical too and stable tow.We were advised to stay away from the 2.2 as perforance wise, it wasnt as good as the 2ltre.Having previously owning an xtrail,I find towing with the mondeo on par with the xtrail.Only difference theres no 4x4.
I am quite sure that the new mk4 2.0 Diesel is an excellent tow car, but am somewhat shocked that there are still salesman out there who are allowed to talk utter rubbish.
The fact is the 2.2 has more power 175 and even more torque so how it could be claimed to not be as good! is beyond me, as they are all PSA [peugeot] derived engines. unlike the mk3 Mondeo which where fords own.....
The fact is the 2.2 has more power 175 and even more torque so how it could be claimed to not be as good! is beyond me, as they are all PSA [peugeot] derived engines. unlike the mk3 Mondeo which where fords own.....
The info I got was from the ford mondeo enthusiast club.At the time I was torn between a 1.8ltre petrol and a 2.2ltre diesel,both available by private sellers at the time. Either of these would pull my van.I explained the the primary job for the car would be towing.They said torque wise,I would be better off with a diesel.The 2.2ltre can be sluggish at times especially at junctions.The diference in torgue between the 2ltre and 2.2ltre is negledgeable.So for economy and a smoother tug,the 2ltre would be the prefered option.Also kerb weight between the two is minimal.Also the towcar test people preferred the 2ltre to the 2.2 for similar reasons.
In answer to me and to back up christine, in 07 there way no Mondeo mk 4 2.2 diesel, the mk 4 2.0 diesel only came out at the end of 07 reg. That means we are referring to the mk 3 pre PSA units.
and in defence of me, Christine is talking of the mk4 mondeo as she clearly states the "2.0 140 bhp model". which can only be a mk4, as the mk3 only came as a 130bhp [128] So one can only assume she was comparing it to a the mk4 2.2 mondeo.
Either way the mk3 or mk4 have almost 300 ft/lb of torque, whilst the 2.0 has to make do with 236ft/lb clearly a huge difference, and not in fact as stated "negligible" and indeed easily checked!
the only thing that would come close to being negligible is in fact fuel consumption,which is near identical for which ever comparison you make as long as you compare mk3s to mk3s or mk4s to mk4s..........
Either way the mk3 or mk4 have almost 300 ft/lb of torque, whilst the 2.0 has to make do with 236ft/lb clearly a huge difference, and not in fact as stated "negligible" and indeed easily checked!
the only thing that would come close to being negligible is in fact fuel consumption,which is near identical for which ever comparison you make as long as you compare mk3s to mk3s or mk4s to mk4s..........
I believe, you are incorrect.
Christine must be talking about the PSA cambelt lumb, as she clearly mentions 140bhp, and not fords own cam chain driven lump.
regards me
the earlier mk3 had the lower powered tddi and the tdci had a choice of 115 or 130 engines and 5 or 6 speed boxes.the 2.2 had 155 bhp and 6 speed box.
I was under the impression the earlier 2.2TDCI had around 265 lbs ft,a touch off 300 dont you agree.Although i dont agee with the salesman,would a 2.2 be much of a worth while benefit over a 2.0?
I was under the impression the earlier 2.2TDCI had around 265 lbs ft,a touch off 300 dont you agree.Although i dont agee with the salesman,would a 2.2 be much of a worth while benefit over a 2.0?
Sorry me, you are correct I apologise. Christine must have a very early mk 4 Mondeo.
However any 07 2.2 TDCi models would be the mk3 so it would not just be the engine that would be different between the two models.
However any 07 2.2 TDCi models would be the mk3 so it would not just be the engine that would be different between the two models.
Seth the mk3 2.2tdci has a torque figure of 295FT/LB and the newer mk4 has a figure of 310. courtesy of a ten second over boost facility. so i would say that's near enough to 300 . would you not agree?
and also in the case of the mk3 at least the 2.2 is a stroked out version of the 2.0 which if as you well know Seth would make it an inherently more torque vehicle even if it didn't have more cc in the first place, as longer stroke engines inherently produce better and lower down torque naturally.
but with regards "is it worth it" how longs a piece of string? the 2.2 can match the 2.0 for extra urban running only losing out slightly in the urban figurers. has over 20 more pulling power and 15% more bhp, so its a case of everyone to their own.
Now which fiat do you have Seth? and which bhp version is it? i bet its not the lower powered one is it?
but with regards "is it worth it" how longs a piece of string? the 2.2 can match the 2.0 for extra urban running only losing out slightly in the urban figurers. has over 20 more pulling power and 15% more bhp, so its a case of everyone to their own.
Now which fiat do you have Seth? and which bhp version is it? i bet its not the lower powered one is it?
Hello Me,
Either me or the publication or even both may be wrong because it clearly states,265 lbs ft for the 2.2 tdci(puma duratorq)mk3?I fail to see how Fiat and ford are related concerning your last question.
Either me or the publication or even both may be wrong because it clearly states,265 lbs ft for the 2.2 tdci(puma duratorq)mk3?I fail to see how Fiat and ford are related concerning your last question.
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I always recall test driving a 1.8T seat, and yes it was noticeable the hesitation before launching forward,compared to the 2 lit petrol engine in the primera i had at the time,which would pick up immediately on acceleration.
But as a tow car i would always chose the turbo engine, more torque over a very wide band, from 1950 rpm to 4500rpm max torque, for the audi i then bought.
My last tow car a 2.2 dci xtrail was again slow of the mark, but was a great tow car with plenty of torque from 1500rpm, with a max at 2000rpm of only 231 lb/ft.
However the xtrail i have now is the 2 lit engine 171 bhp/266 lb/ft at 2000rpm. While it tows well, it does appear to have less low down torque, even allowing for the slightly higher gearing, and 100kg extra kerb weight.
I am of the opinion that the extra cc of the 2.2 is preferred. That old saying "there is no substitute for cc" is still true today.
If i was to chose between the 2 lit or 2.2 lit mondeo, for me it would be the 2.2, even if the power outputs were the same, i believe the delivery of the larger engine will be more flexible.
Various power outputs have been quoted for various versions of the mondeo.
The latest model has according to my what car mag, the following outputs.
2.0 =138 bhp/250 lb/ft
2.2 =173 bhp/272 lb/ft
Economy wise the 2.0 is about 2mpg better.
I can only assume the above figures do not include the power boost?
At any rate i would have the 2.2 for reasons already stated above.
But as a tow car i would always chose the turbo engine, more torque over a very wide band, from 1950 rpm to 4500rpm max torque, for the audi i then bought.
My last tow car a 2.2 dci xtrail was again slow of the mark, but was a great tow car with plenty of torque from 1500rpm, with a max at 2000rpm of only 231 lb/ft.
However the xtrail i have now is the 2 lit engine 171 bhp/266 lb/ft at 2000rpm. While it tows well, it does appear to have less low down torque, even allowing for the slightly higher gearing, and 100kg extra kerb weight.
I am of the opinion that the extra cc of the 2.2 is preferred. That old saying "there is no substitute for cc" is still true today.
If i was to chose between the 2 lit or 2.2 lit mondeo, for me it would be the 2.2, even if the power outputs were the same, i believe the delivery of the larger engine will be more flexible.
Various power outputs have been quoted for various versions of the mondeo.
The latest model has according to my what car mag, the following outputs.
2.0 =138 bhp/250 lb/ft
2.2 =173 bhp/272 lb/ft
Economy wise the 2.0 is about 2mpg better.
I can only assume the above figures do not include the power boost?
At any rate i would have the 2.2 for reasons already stated above.
here you go seth.http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/221928/ford_mondeo_22_tdci.html
clearly states the over boost facility its the mk4 as ray is talking about mk4.
now will waste my time looking for an older mk3 test, although frankly why you don't check all the facts first before posting is beyound me.
Why did i mention the fiat? well you clearly in a earlier post mention that upping from the 2.0tdci to a 2.2 tdci, was not worth it!
but I am also pretty sure you drive a 2.2 [the same engine] in your Fiat! forgive me if i have got the wrong end of the stick.
And that Fiat is also available in another smallar engine.
I was just making an observation, I have driven both Mondeo's with both engines on a regular basis, both are good but the 2.2 does everything that little bit better,and is worth it.
Now I am off to find a old review of the mk3!
clearly states the over boost facility its the mk4 as ray is talking about mk4.
now will waste my time looking for an older mk3 test, although frankly why you don't check all the facts first before posting is beyound me.
Why did i mention the fiat? well you clearly in a earlier post mention that upping from the 2.0tdci to a 2.2 tdci, was not worth it!
but I am also pretty sure you drive a 2.2 [the same engine] in your Fiat! forgive me if i have got the wrong end of the stick.
And that Fiat is also available in another smallar engine.
I was just making an observation, I have driven both Mondeo's with both engines on a regular basis, both are good but the 2.2 does everything that little bit better,and is worth it.
Now I am off to find a old review of the mk3!
here this one took a mere minute to find!
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/RoadTests/story/Mondeo-22-ST-TDCi-155-4dr---Dsl/36086
on this one as you can see they quote 295FT/LB which is the figure with over boost on.
Do i need to go looking for any more for you Seth?because this is getting boring, considering the post were supposedly to help someone!
Instead I seem to have to keep backing up my statements,rather than others do a little more research before posting.......
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/RoadTests/story/Mondeo-22-ST-TDCi-155-4dr---Dsl/36086
on this one as you can see they quote 295FT/LB which is the figure with over boost on.
Do i need to go looking for any more for you Seth?because this is getting boring, considering the post were supposedly to help someone!
Instead I seem to have to keep backing up my statements,rather than others do a little more research before posting.......
Hello Me ,i was refering to a mk3 not mk4.I totally agree with the figures for a mk4 as you say.As i read it we are refering to a mk3.yes.no?
As for the wifes car,its a 1.9jtd,not a 2.2 because as far as im aware fiat dont build one,and would be news to me if they fitted the 2.2 psa,,considering they build the 2.4jtd.Although as we all know the 2L scudo is HDI powered,but basically a rebadged dispatch.
As for the wifes car,its a 1.9jtd,not a 2.2 because as far as im aware fiat dont build one,and would be news to me if they fitted the 2.2 psa,,considering they build the 2.4jtd.Although as we all know the 2L scudo is HDI powered,but basically a rebadged dispatch.
Seth the older Ulysses did come in a 2.2 and so does the newer one,do a check on the auto trader site for say a 2004 model 2.2 psa engine same as the citroen5 and peugeot 807....
I found 3, 2004/5 fiats 2.2 Ulysses on the auto trader site, although the link was huge, so thought it pointless to post it.
ok after reading thru i decided to go with the tdci 130 hatch! not towed with it yet but will be doing next weekend
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