Foreign Parts - Circuit Board

Jun 17, 2008
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Afternoon,

Have to vent my fustration!!!

My circuit board has to be sent back to the manufacturer which is in Italy so the Pump circuit can be upgraded, because whilst testing it 2 weeks ago it shut down due to Pump Overload as there was a fauly within the circuit, so we went away at Easter with no running water.

My point is if a caravan is made in England surely the circuit board can or should be oir at least repaired here?

It is being sent back to them by the dealer this week, but unfortuantely the dealer cannot give me a timeframe, they said it can be 3 days or it could be 3 weeks. I then said can you call to chase them up or enquire the lady replied saying they don't like us doing that and won't talk to us, we have to wait for it to arrive back..

Hopefully they will have it back by the beginning of May bank holiday!!!

Thanks

Rob.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Hello Rob,

I can understand your frustration at the failure and further when it has to be sent away - abroad- to be repaired or replaced.

If the part s were sourced here in the UK, the you may still have a delay to get a repair, as most manufacturers are set up to produce new goods not do repairs.

I have often roundly accused caravan manufactures of re-inventing parts when perfectly acceptable and proven products are available, and would most likely be cheaper, so perhaps here is a case where they found a ready made part to do the job, but it happens to be of foreign manufacture.

I the product has been proven to be of good design with relatively few failures, there is little point in setting up a local repair shop.

Your posting is not entirely clear about the cause of the failure; you say the unit shut down due to a pump over load. Did the pump actually over load? or did the control just think the pump over loaded?

Under your circumstances, I believe you should be rejecting the faulty part and the pump and demanding an new replacement units, not a repair. You are entitled to this under SoGA.

I don't think the dealer is giving you the best support; they should have offered a replacement part as the unit is so new, and they should be chasing the supplier to get the parts turned round ASAP. Don't forget who is in the driving position here, It is your caravan, you have spent the money to buy it and dealer is benefiting from the profit they made on the deal, SO they should be serving you, not asking you to wait on them, however don't be unreasonable, as that can cause friction and problems further down the line.
 
Jun 17, 2008
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Hi John,

I was doing the usual checks, connected the water and started to fill up/clear the air from the pipes.

The pump made its usual racket, then when it switched off when the tank was full there a tapping noise similar to the pump but quieter, i lifted the cushions and it was coming from the back of the circuit board, the pump circuit was vibrating. I turned off al the elctrics left it a couple of minutes, then switched it back on and the Mains board (just inside the door) had a reading of "Error E-1" the manual says that the "pump circuit has overloaded".

I spoke with Swift the next day and they said the below:-

"It's possible but unlikely at this age of van that the fusebox has the early software revision, and so needs the R3 upgrade to cancel false pump current warnings"

I spoke to the dealer and Swift and they both said that it needs to be sent back to "Nordelettronica" to have the upgrade. I said can't i have a new one and they both said no!

I made them aware of my dissapointment with this as the van is only 10 months old, the dealer agreed with what i was saying but that it the procedure.

What is SoGA?
 
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Hello rob,

SoGA is the 'Sale of Goods Act' It enshrines your statutory rights that are automatically established when you make a new retail purchase. If goods are faulty you are entitled to a full refund or an FOC replacement.

When you buy anything new a contract is made between the buyer and the seller. The seller under SoGA is required at the time of sale to supply goods that are free from design, material or workmanship defects. The goods must be fit for purpose and of merchantable quality. This is the basis of your WARRANTY - even if no paper work is produced.

If goods are defective at the point of sale then the seller is legally obliged to remedy the situation. what that remedy is depends on the goods their age, and the type of defect. The difficulty sometimes arises when a fault becomes apparent some time after the date of sale, and then establishing it was actually present but not detectable at the time of sale.

In extreme cases the matter may be taken to court, where a judgement based on the balance of probabilities will be made.

It is important to note that the seller is legally responsible, so that is why when you use a credit card or finance deal, the credit provider is the seller, as you are effectively buying from the credit provider. (The same does not apply to Debit cards or overdraft)

There is no such thing as a fixed term warranty, A warranty remains appicable for the life expectancy of the product, though in practice claims of more than 6 years have never been successful. Obviously the life expectancy of a products varies, and perishable goods may be hours where as granite slab would be years. Don't forget though, the fault must have been present at the time of sale to invoke a warranty claim.

Warranty liability rest only with the sellers - no one else.

The above is a short outline of your statutory rights of warranty under SoGA. They should not be confused with the manufacturers Guarantee, which is an entirely different beast.

Manufactures are not obliged to have any direct responsibilities to the end-user (unless they sell the product direct in which case SoGA kicks in) If a manufacture offers a guarantee, it is a gift, and it can be made with many different clauses. Even though money does not change hands, it is still a contract, and both parties are beholden to the terms of the contract. So for example they are usually time limited, they may require certain actions to be carried out such as servicing, and it may stipulate who does the service. It may exclude certain items, or set different terms for particular aspects of the product. Guarantees are not automatically transferable.

With items like cars and caravans the manufactures Guarantee often mimics the sellers legal Warranty response. This is useful because it allows the end-user to have what should be warranty repairs carried out by other dealers, and paid for by the manufacture under their guarantee. whilst this often happens, it never affects your legal rights to warranty with your seller.

Now I made a number of assumptions based on your original post. I thought that the caravan was much younger. i.e only a few weeks old because you mentioned testing, and that something had burned out on the circuity board. with the more recent information I see I was wrong on those two critical points.

However as you now tell me it may be a revision issue rather than a physical damage issue, and the age the complexion of the situation changes a little.

If the product was physically damaged, then you would still have a case to insist on a replenishment part. The issue is that following a product fault, the remedy should reinstate the product to the condition as if no fault had occurred. If a circuit board was damaged with burn marks, and components were replaced then the fault would remain obvious and will devalue the product.

In the case of reprogramming, no obvious damage would be present, and thus a warranty repair (subject to the repair working properly) is a viable remedy and should be considered.

If the caravan was less than 6 month old, you would have had a stronger case to call for a replacement part rather than a repair as the balance of probabilities is swayed in favour of the end-user.

SoGA is a powerful tool in the consumers armoury, and whilst it is their to ensure that consumers get a fair deal, the important word is fair, It is designed to be fair to both the seller and the buyer. If a claim is disputed and it goes to court, the outcome will take into account the accuracy of the claim, any obstructive actions by either party, the true value of the product, and any unreasonable usage, etc. so it pays to be scrupulously honest and fair when asking for warranty work to be done.
 
Jun 17, 2008
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Hi John,

thanks again for the postings. I am pleased to say that the "upgraded" Circiut board has arrived at the dealers today and that it will be with me by the weekend ready for installation and testing...

Cheers

Rob.
 

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