ID Cards YES or NO?

[rayc]

ken said " A national DNA database is a better way forward on this. If every newborn had a saliva swab taken, eventually everyone's DNA would be on record 'for the purposes of elimination'. Those committing crimes could be identified by even a single hair left at the scene of crime. That's some deterrant".

How about the chances of it being abused e.g. a strand of your hair planted by a criminal, or god forbid agents of the state? It is already reported that criminals are picking up cigarette ends and leaving them at the scene of crimes to confuse investigations. How long will it be before these swabs are used to profile you and label you for the rest of your life with some real, or perceived trait, that may be seen as a threat by the state, insurance companies [because the Government will sell it].

I am though reassured because "The innocent would have nothing to fear". What a joke.

 

[LMH]

Blimey, I didn't realise there were still supporters of the old witch about. LOL!

Lisa

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Well they say as you get older you can't remember yesterday but can remember years ago which in my case is true.I say a definite NO to the Thatcher years.

 

[JasonR_374341560]

It must be your memory LB ;-)

Far better times when Maggie was in Power and at least she stood up to Europe and Unions and tried to get more to pay their way unlike the nimby suck ups we have now.

 

[Meister]

YES to a DNA database holding details of EVERY person living or visiting this country.

YES to Maggie, she had more b*lls than all the male politicians since.

ID cards? Not until I know exactly what information will be on it.

Steve

 

[Chrissylizzie]

Hi Meister

The same 3 'yes's for me too.

 

[Guest]

Having a database is one thing, you then have to decide who has access and what can they do with the information? In that area i would not trust anyone in authority in this country. In Scotland we had a recent case where a senior police officer (female, but nothing to do with it) was accused of screwing up a crime scene as her DNA had been found. She was suspended and it took a lot of enquiries before it was confirmed she had never actually been to the address and that it was the CPS who had made a 'mistake' They still maintain they were correct and are still in their employments, although the now ex police officer has been awarded a lot of compensation.

I also note a case recently wher a man was accuseed of a arape becasue a hair with his DNA was found on the victime. Evemn although the victim described her attacker as large and black, and the accused man was small and white the case proceeded because the 'DNA could not lie'. The judge threw it our but what a palaver first.

Sorry, I will never support the case for a DNA database, it is not 100% safe.

 

[davedee]

Agree with you 110% on this one, SL.

Dave

 

[rayc]

Agree with you 110% on this one, SL.

Dave

and me

 

[Geist]

NO to 'ID' cards!, NO to 'Europe'!

They could not conquer us by military force - now our enemies slither in to enslave with cunning and deceit.

What's more, they even expect us to pay for our own chains!!! -you just couldn't make it up!

 

[Essexeddie]

No to I.D. cards [dont trust any government] Passport and driving licence is enough. Immigrants and gypsies wont have them

No to Europe

Yes to Maggie

Dont trust DNA as you can leave a sample by just walking past.

Sorry but thats my view!!

Edd

 

[colin-yorkshire]

hi all

compulsory ID cards for all produced on demand absolutly yes and as soon as possible.

DNA database no for the reasons allready described.

bring back thatcher not in a million years.

I do understand the witch is quite poorly and might not make it ???,MMM now that would be worth opening the old bottle of bladnoch for.

as essexeddie says "sorry but thats my view"

colin

 

[Meister]

COLIN-YORKSHIRE:

Re your comment: "bring back thatcher not in a million years.

I do understand the witch is quite poorly and might not make it ???,MMM now that would be worth opening the old bottle of bladnoch for."

I find this to be in VERY bad taste. Making a statement looking forward to a persons death is just not on no matter what your opinion of that person.

Shame on you.

Steve

 

[colin-yorkshire]

hi all

meister my friend.

for some of us who are/were not thatcher lovers and dont see the golden age of thatcherism through rose tinted glasses remember what it was like to be on the recieving end of the most rightwing, uncaring, self centred, set of hypocretes that ever called its self a british government(even worse than this present lot and that saying something).

she gets into parlement becomes junior education minister and stops school milk and vitamins. good start?? hit the poor first(they did not vote for her so were unimportant).then after a few years of scheming ousts old ted because he took us into europe.

1979 became PM and started dismantling the british way of life as we knew it, backwards to the victorian age. money drove everthing if you had it brill if you didn't tough.

she took us to war in the falklands to boost patriotism and save her from a defeat in 1984 at the hands of neil kinnock supposingly to defend (a british colony )two useless lumps of rock in the south atlantic 8000miles away but then gave up granada to the yanks with out firing a single shot,I cannot remember there being a big outcry from the tory press of the cost to the tax payer or the lives lost in the conflict though.

she was the one that created a lot of today problems with statments like,: "unemployment is a price worth paying (3million)and there is no such thing as society"it was ok to force man with a family to work for

 

[Geist]

Raise a glass when Margaret Thatcher dies?

Yes, I probably would toast her memory, and be grateful that there was a politician who, at least for a short while, held back the annexation of this country by Federal Europe.

Oh, she did plenty of disagreeable things, she helped her supporters k=line their pockets, she became increasingly vain and autocratic as the years passed - but *exactly* the same thing can (and should) be said of the labour administration.

The *real* difference between the Thatcher & Blair governments is the way in which they handled civil liberties.

Thatcher was certainly not perfect (the prevention of free travel on public highways during the Miner's strike, for example) but whatever she did or didn't do pales into insignificance when compared to the terror that has been engineered during the last decade.

We are now *the* most watched, most spied upon, most controlled, most legislated country in the 'free' world!

Democracy has been perverted, all is lies, corruption, manipulation, and falsehood - we are being sold, lock stock and barrel, into a European federation, and few even realise it (and even fewer seem to care)

They should note the basic tenets of Magna Carta have now been repealed - now, the state can arrest any citizen and hold them for as long as they choose without allowing them access to any other person! - *that* is terror, no more, no less.

For the first time in history, a British citizen can be arrested and deported upon the request of a foreign power - for an alleged 'offence' that might not even be illegal under UK law!

In theory, any corrupt little French magistrate can demand to have *you* arrested and deported to stand before him, if he happened to dislike something that you might have written or published on the Internet!

Think about the enormity of that step! - the 'European Arrest Warrant' removes our protection under UK law and leaves us prey to the corruption and injustices that flourish within the European monster.

Already, we are no longer UK subjects! - we are subjects of Brussels, with all the implicit horrors.

*that* is what Thatcher fought to save us from! - and I for one will mourn her passing.

 

[Essexeddie]

Well said Geist, as said before she had more balls than the wet rags that are running this ruined country now.

If I were younger I would jump ship. Like the record numbers that are now!

Edd

 

[JasonR_374341560]

Colin-Yorkshires post is just so funny.

Maggie dared to take on the Unions who were looking after their own in many cases and screwing the rest of us and the country.

And who reaped the benefits, Labour.

Talk of 3 million unemployed, and how many have we really got unemployed now? But with Labour they just re categorize the unemployed to fiddle the figures more and more.

Now under the people partty we still have a miniority making the bulk of the money alongside Labours chosen few champagne socialists. Labours "jobs for the boys" backed by MP's most who have no idea of proper jobs or running a businesss.

All this and more whislt Blair went into Iraq and he and Brown sell us out to the European Vultures.

Its sad to speak of Mrs T's demise when she is still going strong, but come the day she departs her mortal coil if there is any justice Brown,Blair and the rest of the Labour dreamers will join her and do us all a favour.

 

[hgv dave]

a big no.....................if the goverment want us to have them..........they should pay for them,i think i pay enough in taxes for them to pay for them

hgv dave

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

"Maggie dared to take on the Unions who were looking after their own in many cases and screwing the rest of us and the country".

Love him or hate him, communist or hero, Arthur Scargill was proved right. This was no fight for money but to try and stop the destruction of the mining industry and thousands of jobs. He didn't flinch, he stood there with the members and got arrested. It split the N.U.R. causing a breakaway U.D.M. mainly consisting of Notts and Derbys coalfields miners. The split wasn't because they disliked Scargill for any reason, the split was because they didn't want to strike and lose money because it wasn't their mines that were under threat at the time. My father, brother, brother-in-law, uncles and cousins all joined the U.D.M.

Scargill, for all the crap that was thrown at him was proved right and even the Notts and Derbys mines have almost all gone.

We still use coal though, it's shipped from Poland, good economic and environmental sense.

In the ex mining village I come from I've never seen so many mobility scooters or walking sticks, theres a high proportion claiming benefits like incapacity or disability. The only industry that is flourishing in these ex mining villages are compensation lawyers. Claiming for "white finger" must be profitable,

 

[colin(bridgend)]

Lady Thatcher, or Mrs Thatcher as she was when being Prime Minister, was, in my opinion, one of the best Prime Ministers this country has had in modern times - she was the equal of Sir Winston Churchill. The unions did become too powerful and needed yto be brought to hand - remeber Red Robbo of BL fame - one man brought down the British car industry. The NUM was the union who stood up to her new laws and paid the price. Although what Arthur Scargill claimed did prove correct I think he was more interested in his own bravado rather than fighting for the rank and file member. If you recall when he came to address the miners in South Wales they had a noose hanging from the roof of the Afan Lido in Port Talbot ready for him.

My wife is the daughter of a coal miner and we lived for a few years in a mining valley and yes the closure of the mines did disrupt the friendly atmosphere which could only be found in a close knit valley community. However unfortunately management went too far and we ended up with a one sided affair in favour of management. There was not a happy equilibrium between management and worker.

Mrs Thatcher had the bottle to speak her mind and to stand by what she believed in and not be a puppet to either the EU or America as we now are. She fought hard and obtained a substantial EU financial rebate which the Labour party have now sacrificed. We are now just a number whithin the EU to accept all dregs of society and a soft touch for any individual/country to do what the wish. Why did our parents/grandparents lay down their lives in both the First and Second World wars just for the dimwits of today's government to sell us down the river good and proper? My father in law fought in the second world war and landed in France - where were the French at the time? Surrendering to the Germans - point a gun at them and they will surrender at the sight of it.

In conclusion the sooner this country realise what is happening and votes these morons out of office the better. Also we should get out of the EU as it is not of any benefit to us at all.

RANT OVER

 

[andyyorks]

I was a miner in South Yorkshire, i left school on the friday & went down the mine on the following monday.

I can tell you it's not for everyone, i have took a few friends down the Mining Museum near Hudersfield & everyone who has been to visit wonder why we all worked at the Coal Board.

I was in the 1984 strike from the start until the very end, at the begining there was 8 mines within 3 miles of our village, by the time the GESTAPO had beaten us & we went back all but 1 mine was closed.

Maggie Thatcher i hope she has along and painfull old age.

 

[LizCornwall]

Phewwwwwwwwww Colin, hehehehe, now what was the question, Ha Yes I remember,

No to I.D cards Driving Licence and Passport enough.

Liz

 

[Essexeddie]

Bit of a tangent there, we must of touched a nerve!

Edd

 

[JasonR_374341560]

I'd like to see the house Scargill lives in and the cars and benefits he's had compared to the miners!

If Maggie was so bad why after ten plus years of the party that has had millions upon millions of pounds of union funding have they done nothing to right what Maggie did to the Unions?

As for white finger, miners are not the only ones to get Raynaud's disease/vibration white finger, and they often worked longer hours and in poor conditions and for a fraction of the money miners earned over all. My 49 year old younger brother is one and is still awaiting compensation.

People in the brewing industry from the days of miners power know the truth about the poor miners. Booze sales from the mining areas were far above nearly every other area in the country. Brewery reps who had sales targets re draught sales and the number of taps on bars had two levels, mining areas and others!

The mining areas with clubs and bars were ten to one up on the so called afluent areas of the country, and the sales of the ladies drinks far out stripped other areas.

But they still bleat and weep over how poor they were!

The brewery staff of the time will tell you why many had little to show for the time down the pit.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

" they often worked longer hours and in poor conditions and for a fraction of the money miners earned over all".

Jason you are now proving you are talking through your a$$ and know nothing of mining or the life at all with the exception of listening to tittle tattle.

My father worked down the pit all his working life with the exception of when he was in the army from 1937-45.

In 1963 as a loco fireman on British Railways I was earning more than him and I was 18 years old. That is FACT.

Not all miners actually worked on the coal face where the better money was.

As for the poor conditions remark again you prove you are talking through your a$$ unless it's a wind up.

I know what it was like down the mine and on the coal face, I went down there on a careers visit and there wasn't a job on this damn earth worse than that. Today if there were mines in any number kids wouldn't be allowed down there on visits due to health and safety but it does make me laugh when people like yourself, from listening to others, say how easy and well paid miners were. People who had never experienced it and would run a mile if they had to step into that cage and get dirt under their fingernails.

Regarding people in the brewing industry, are you sure they weren't intoxicated from the fumes? I will admit one point, yes beer was cheap at Miners Welfare Clubs but that was subsidised like any other working mans club, including the one I belonged to, British Railways Staff Association, and no Jason, it wasn't subsidised by you as a taxpayer, it was subsidised by the profits the club made. BTW the profits came from bingo, slot machines etc, NOT ale sales. Even the miners annual trips to the seaside, again like the railway clubs, were subsidised.

Maybe you need to read up on the social history of our country and not listen to the brewery directors at your golf club ;O)