ID Cards YES or NO?

[JasonR_374341560]

LB, I'm not knocking your dad and others who worked very bl'dy hard in the mines, but when was that?

Not in the day of Scargill v Maggie I bet. From the late sixties many made a very very good livings from the mines compared to others, no one begrudges good pay for hardwork.

But the tales in the day of the miners strike of poor pay when the total pay package at the weeks end was mainly very nice is cr'p.

My brother is 49 and had his health wrecked by his job, as said he was working at the times of the miners strike for a fraction of what miners earned and most of the men he worked with are dead or injured like him, apart from working in poor/difficult/inhospitable conditions they also worked surrounded by chemicals that were banned for use in other industries. Many men have or had cancers caused by the chemicals that had the health warnings hidden because of the nature of their employment.

And don't say B'll Sh't please, they worked for the Goverment and belonged to unions funding Labour who just cr'pped on them.

Bro has had most of his thyroid removed, not cancer, but destroyed by chemicals! When he got to a specialist to find out why he could not stay awake or walk more than 50 yards they told him where he had been working as they had twenty times more than the national average with workers from where he worked and the same in other like places around the UK.

And what help did his Union and Labour give him and others re compo! A big fat ZERO!

The problem in this country was that the different Unions were all out for themselves in most cases, Scargill was only interested in miners and his position and screw any other industry!

 

[Royston]

" they often worked longer hours and in poor conditions and for a fraction of the money miners earned over all".

Jason you are now proving you are talking through your a$$ and know nothing of mining or the life at all with the exception of listening to tittle tattle.

My father worked down the pit all his working life with the exception of when he was in the army from 1937-45.

In 1963 as a loco fireman on British Railways I was earning more than him and I was 18 years old. That is FACT.

Not all miners actually worked on the coal face where the better money was.

As for the poor conditions remark again you prove you are talking through your a$$ unless it's a wind up.

I know what it was like down the mine and on the coal face, I went down there on a careers visit and there wasn't a job on this damn earth worse than that. Today if there were mines in any number kids wouldn't be allowed down there on visits due to health and safety but it does make me laugh when people like yourself, from listening to others, say how easy and well paid miners were. People who had never experienced it and would run a mile if they had to step into that cage and get dirt under their fingernails.

Regarding people in the brewing industry, are you sure they weren't intoxicated from the fumes? I will admit one point, yes beer was cheap at Miners Welfare Clubs but that was subsidised like any other working mans club, including the one I belonged to, British Railways Staff Association, and no Jason, it wasn't subsidised by you as a taxpayer, it was subsidised by the profits the club made. BTW the profits came from bingo, slot machines etc, NOT ale sales. Even the miners annual trips to the seaside, again like the railway clubs, were subsidised.

Maybe you need to read up on the social history of our country and not listen to the brewery directors at your golf club ;O)

Lord B,

Did you as a lad go to any miners holiday camps with your parents, Our paths may have crossed in our early years.

I have been to the camps at Rhyl, and Skegness, infact the camp at Skeggie was better than the Butlins one.

Had some terrific fun whist staying on them learnt to ride on a masive ex police horse , and we Hi jacked one donkey race ended up riding with saddle under the donkey amongs heaps of laughter, they where the good old days .

 

[JasonR_374341560]

ps.

The brewery industry comparison did not come from directors, but form those at the coal face of the brewing and drinks industry who saw first hand how mining areas spent their money.

And I've known of plenty of golfing miners, never had the time or money myself when younger and get know joy in hitting a tiny ball with a big stick anyway!

Company directors expect to get top sales in all areas of the country and push for that, the reality at the days end was the "coal mine" effect. Breweries and the drinks industry directors found that they were forced to set far lower sales targets for their satff as others outside mining areas could not compete with the through put of mining areas!

 

[Damian]

I think it is time to calm things down and get this topic back on to what it was originally.

ID Cards, not the ins and outs of industries far removed from this topic.

 

[JasonR_374341560]

Sorry Damian.

ID cards and why we should or should not have them are linked to the social history of this county and directly linked to Government and Police action and the way the people of this country are treated.

Concerns over how some from mining and unions were unfairly treated during the miner's strike and other strikes should be a concern to us all with on set of the ID card state, biometrics and the state wanting to know everything about us!

Damian

Stifling personal choice and wider debate is what some in Government want as last week's fiasco on the Referendum we were promised shows.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

" they often worked longer hours and in poor conditions and for a fraction of the money miners earned over all".

Jason you are now proving you are talking through your a$$ and know nothing of mining or the life at all with the exception of listening to tittle tattle.

My father worked down the pit all his working life with the exception of when he was in the army from 1937-45.

In 1963 as a loco fireman on British Railways I was earning more than him and I was 18 years old. That is FACT.

Not all miners actually worked on the coal face where the better money was.

As for the poor conditions remark again you prove you are talking through your a$$ unless it's a wind up.

I know what it was like down the mine and on the coal face, I went down there on a careers visit and there wasn't a job on this damn earth worse than that. Today if there were mines in any number kids wouldn't be allowed down there on visits due to health and safety but it does make me laugh when people like yourself, from listening to others, say how easy and well paid miners were. People who had never experienced it and would run a mile if they had to step into that cage and get dirt under their fingernails.

Regarding people in the brewing industry, are you sure they weren't intoxicated from the fumes? I will admit one point, yes beer was cheap at Miners Welfare Clubs but that was subsidised like any other working mans club, including the one I belonged to, British Railways Staff Association, and no Jason, it wasn't subsidised by you as a taxpayer, it was subsidised by the profits the club made. BTW the profits came from bingo, slot machines etc, NOT ale sales. Even the miners annual trips to the seaside, again like the railway clubs, were subsidised.

Maybe you need to read up on the social history of our country and not listen to the brewery directors at your golf club ;O)

Hi Royston, the trips we went on were day trips. Sometimes by bus and sometimes by train from either Welbeck or Edwinstowe. They were normally to Skeggie, Cleethorpes or Bridlington. Whichever of us kids on the bus spotted the sea first got sixpence. Our family holidays were either spent at Ingoldmells or here at my grandparents in Hereford.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

"Stifling personal choice and wider debate is what some in Government want as last week's fiasco on the Referendum we were promised shows".

100% correct. It is all interlinked.

 

[Pat_374304630]

100% YES to i.d cards