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A very personal choice for the OP.

But, I am sure I have read. (But could easily be wrong). I think this may have been from a VW thread. But so what. That having a 3rd party tow bar fitted could invalidate the warentee.

Something to consider. If so, a bit of Hobsons choice which way to go.

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If there are “non auto “ tow bars avaiable in the Audi list of accessories the dealer would arrange supply, and often they are fitted by third party techs, but the Audi warranty is maintained. Anyway Van Fisher seems to be aware and is taking action wrt the Dealer’s stonewalling.
 
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A very personal choice for the OP.

But, I am sure I have read. (But could easily be wrong). I think this may have been from a VW thread. But so what. That having a 3rd party tow bar fitted could invalidate the warentee.

Something to consider. If so, a bit of Hobsons choice which way to go.

John
"Invalidating the warranty" is almost always sales BS - a third party towbar can't invalidate the warranty, or compromise CRA rights unless it is the cause of the problem - which since towbars need to be type-approved is extremely unlikely.
 
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"Invalidating the warranty" is almost always sales BS - a third party towbar can't invalidate the warranty, or compromise CRA rights unless it is the cause of the problem - which since towbars need to be type-approved is extremely unlikely.
I think the reference is to the electrical wiring as that could affect the car's software. We were told the same about fitting a dashcam, but the Nextbase dashcam connection power source is simply replacing a like for like fuse. A lower spec dashcam fitting was £650, but buying a higher spec dashcam direct from Nextbase and them fitting the camera, cost us over £200 less!
 
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A large number of motors nowadays that can have towbars fitted are pre wired when built and simply require the towing module plugged in when a towbar is fitted. If the module used is the manufacturers module, then there can be no way to invalalidate any warranty. The majority of new cars ordered with towbar are actually fitted at Dealers or contracted out to their chosen fitter, and filtted with Dealer supplied parts and dealer is paying the labour cost.
 
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A large number of motors nowadays that can have towbars fitted are pre wired when built and simply require the towing module plugged in when a towbar is fitted. If the module used is the manufacturers module, then there can be no way to invalalidate any warranty. The majority of new cars ordered with towbar are actually fitted at Dealers or contracted out to their chosen fitter, and filtted with Dealer supplied parts and dealer is paying the labour cost.
Not sure about most cars pre-wired for the electrical towing connection? No way is the dealer paying the labour cost. It is always the consumer that pays for the labour plus the extra profit that the dealer is making on labour for the fitting.
 
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A large number of motors nowadays that can have towbars fitted are pre wired when built and simply require the towing module plugged in when a towbar is fitted. If the module used is the manufacturers module, then there can be no way to invalalidate any warranty. The majority of new cars ordered with towbar are actually fitted at Dealers or contracted out to their chosen fitter, and filtted with Dealer supplied parts and dealer is paying the labour cost.
If the towbar is dealer and not factory fitted it doesn’t count as factory fitted, especially in the case of German car manufacturers. This is because in their home market, the manufacturer issues the V5c equivalent with the car as it leaves the factory and towbars have to be entered into that document there. This procedure avoids the need to have the registration document amended later if the towbar is dealer fitted.
 
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Not sure about most cars pre-wired for the electrical towing connection? No way is the dealer paying the labour cost. It is always the consumer that pays for the labour plus the extra profit that the dealer is making on labour for the fitting.
I think what Birdman is saying is that effectively the dealer may sub contract a specialist technician solely to fit the Maker supplied towbar. IE Labour services only. Of course at the end of the day the charges fall to the customer. But when I bought a maker supplied tow bar for Volvo it was an all inclusive price in the Volvo catalogue including fitting. But it wasn’t fitted by the Volvo dealership.
 
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I think what Birdman is saying is that effectively the dealer may sub contract a specialist technician solely to fit the Maker supplied towbar. IE Labour services only. Of course at the end of the day the charges fall to the customer. But when I bought a maker supplied tow bar for Volvo it was an all inclusive price in the Volvo catalogue including fitting. But it wasn’t fitted by the Volvo dealership.
Times have probably changed a lot since you bought your Volvo due to the software in cars being so technically advanced and incompatible with normal fitting. Maybe for new cars the wiring between the 13pin socket and the pre-wired car connection is specific to that car and may not be readily available?

Some cars come with a "tow" function that needs to be switched on when a trailer is connected to the car otherwise no lights on the trailer and no ATC? I am not a car electrician so just making an assumption and not sure whether it is right or wrong.
 
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Times have probably changed a lot since you bought your Volvo due to the software in cars being so technically advanced and incompatible with normal fitting. Maybe for new cars the wiring between the 13pin socket and the pre-wired car connection is specific to that car and may not be readily available?

Some cars come with a "tow" function that needs to be switched on when a trailer is connected to the car otherwise no lights on the trailer and no ATC? I am not a car electrician so just making an assumption and not sure whether it is right or wrong.
My friend bought a Tucson last year and the tow bar was part of the order, but it was fitted in the dealership by a local NTTA company. Tow functions aren’t that new my two Subaru Foresters had them in 2014. What they didn’t have was the all singing and dancing reversing aid, but a trailer stability assist was OEM and caravan bulb failure indication too.. Met my needs.
 
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I think what Birdman is saying is that effectively the dealer may sub contract a specialist technician solely to fit the Maker supplied towbar. IE Labour services only. Of course at the end of the day the charges fall to the customer. But when I bought a maker supplied tow bar for Volvo it was an all inclusive price in the Volvo catalogue including fitting. But it wasn’t fitted by the Volvo dealership.
In many cases it depends whether a new car is built to order or just allocated from manufacturers unsold stock - judging by the number of new cars stored at ports ready for draw-down, the majority of cars sold new in the UK are the latter and towbars requested as "factory-fit" are actually fitted subsequent to original build.

A number of models would get upgrades like better cooling if built to order with a towbar specified but others get those upgrades for specific national markets even if no towbar is specified.
 
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"Invalidating the warranty" is almost always sales BS - a third party towbar can't invalidate the warranty, or compromise CRA rights unless it is the cause of the problem - which since towbars need to be type-approved is extremely unlikely.
I understand and accept that. If a future warrantee claim is to be made. And a tow bar has been fitted after the car purchase. Unless it is an obvious claim which had no relationship to the bar or its fitting. It leaves a massive grey area that are open to argument. Particularly as tow bar electrics can interfere with the car’s canbus system.

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My car came from Ford with what they call TP wired. Tow bar prepared and dealer after fitting the towbar, plugged in the module and did code. Everything is 100% synced with the car. Since thinking back, my Discovery I bought a few years back was just plug-in as I fitted it myself then, with parts from the dealer,
 
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It seems in recent times it is VAG group who have offered “ Factory fitted” Towbars.

The fact the towbar is made by Westfalia is no different to the headlamps being made outside of VAG.
The real issue seems to be the unwillingness of them to supply the dealer and accredited tow bar fitters with the appropriate soft ware codes.

My older Touareg was an after market fit, Westfalia. The approved TB fitter had all the correct software . But that was some years ago.
Lutz has explained why VAG do factory fitted but the mystery for me is why are they being so intransigent with their dealers and approved TB fitters with the software??

Wasn’t it BMW X5s that needed an extra radiator fan when a tow bar was fitted? Maybe that kind of thing is the reason?🤔
 
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It seems in recent times it is VAG group who have offered “ Factory fitted” Towbars.

The fact the towbar is made by Westfalia is no different to the headlamps being made outside of VAG.
The real issue seems to be the unwillingness of them to supply the dealer and accredited tow bar fitters with the appropriate soft ware codes.

My older Touareg was an after market fit, Westfalia. The approved TB fitter had all the correct software . But that was some years ago.
Lutz has explained why VAG do factory fitted but the mystery for me is why are they being so intransigent with their dealers and approved TB fitters with the software??

Wasn’t it BMW X5s that needed an extra radiator fan when a tow bar was fitted? Maybe that kind of thing is the reason?🤔
It's particularly intransigent that they aren't allowing their dealers to change the software codes.

Various cars have needed additional cooling or other upgrades when towing, some Mercedes-Benz and Hyundai to my knowledge - so do VW Touareg 2014-2018, at least in VW UK's opinion although owners of 2015-2016 Touaregs with factory fit towbars cope well enough despite their cars being mis-built and a less powerful cooling fan fitted by mistake - my own Touareg had the upgraded fan fitted under warranty but VW UK later withdrew that option!
 
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When I ordered my Santa Fe in 2014 I ordered a towbar bar to be fitted, the dealer told me on coll that it was classified as a Factory Fit although it was fitted in the dealers,. The towbar was a Witter, with a foils stick on label with Hyundai part Number on it, that disappeared in 3 months. The tow bar was rubbish bad fixings to the cross bar, kept dropping, (?Google Santa Fe towbars 2014) changed it for the Tow Trust much better attachment cross bar to the Car.
I also had to rewire the car for the fridge and the Alko ATC
 
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As an aside to my next post, updating on my lack of towbar issue, a cautionary tale if any of you are planning to import a car to Spain.
We took our French registered Alfa Romeo, complete with tow bar, to Lanzarote and decided to keep it there. That required changing the registration from French to Spanish (and paying import tax).
As part of the import process, it had to have an ITV (Spanish MOT) inspection. It failed because the towbar was not OEM from Alfa Romeo, although all lights etc, functioned perfectly.
I had to remove it before the car could be considered road legal in Spain.
Thank goodness we do not have that level of type approval here in the UK!
 
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I hope I don't jinx things with this post 🫰

My communications with the sales manager of the dealer have been regular and persistent, but to no avail. Just eliciting responses such as "I'm hoping to hear soon" and "I am emailing the brand every day", always apologetic, but never with a solution, and time is moving on.

Last Friday, I emailed the customer service manager at the manufacturers UK office where I had lodged my original complaint, to see if I could push progress from that end.

On Wednesday, because I had no response, I called them.
WTF! "your complaint case was closed when we referred it back to the dealer last year" I really struggled not to swear at him.

The dealer is part of a very large group. After my frustrating call to the manufacturer, I sent a strongly worded email to a senior manager.

I haven't had anything back directly from the senior manager, but I had a call from one of the dealers sales team this afternoon. He said the sales manager was not in today but he was pleased to offer me a choice of colours for a new car that would be built, complete with tow bar, to be delivered in March in exchange for the car I have "rejected".

Coincidence with the timing? Probably not. But I am relieved, excited and even feeling grateful, that I will be able to tow our little caravan again soon!

Many thanks for all the helpful, and encouraging comments from forum members.
 
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I hope I don't jinx things with this post 🫰

My communications with the sales manager of the dealer have been regular and persistent, but to no avail. Just eliciting responses such as "I'm hoping to hear soon" and "I am emailing the brand every day", always apologetic, but never with a solution, and time is moving on.

Last Friday, I emailed the customer service manager at the manufacturers UK office where I had lodged my original complaint, to see if I could push progress from that end.

On Wednesday, because I had no response, I called them.
WTF! "your complaint case was closed when we referred it back to the dealer last year" I really struggled not to swear at him.

The dealer is part of a very large group. After my frustrating call to the manufacturer, I sent a strongly worded email to a senior manager.

I haven't had anything back directly from the senior manager, but I had a call from one of the dealers sales team this afternoon. He said the sales manager was not in today but he was pleased to offer me a choice of colours for a new car that would be built, complete with tow bar, to be delivered in March in exchange for the car I have "rejected".

Coincidence with the timing? Probably not. But I am relieved, excited and even feeling grateful, that I will be able to tow our little caravan again soon!

Many thanks for all the helpful, and encouraging comments from forum members.
Potentially looks to be a good outcome if they stick to the offer and the factory produces it.
 
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I haven't read the entire thread but it looks like you've successfully rejected the vehicle - which is absolutely your right - and ordered a new one.

Well done.

As an aside, and for info, if it's older than 30 days, in theory there can be a "usage" charge for the mileage you have done. That's normally based on the sale price and an "assumption" a car on average lasts 100,000 miles. So if you paid 50k, legal precedent would suggest the need to pay 50p per mile but that's if it reaches court. It's all negotiable prior to that.

However, the dealership would be on dodgy ground because you effectively reported the fault straight away so within the 30 days.

Now for the VAG Towbar issue. It's not just towbars, it's anything related to coding.

Starting in 2023, VAG started introducing SFD2 firmware which encrypts and locks firmware at manufacture. It's a real mess because SFD2 was introduced at different times to different models in the multiple Brands of VAG. So it's not easy to even tell whether or not the firmware is locked or not!!! Until you plug a Carista in!!!

Even more of an issue was towbars because dealers were used to fitting them as a kind of "factory fit" but without being able to code them, they couldn't fit them properly.

If the vehicle has Towbar prep at the factory, some of these could have towbars fitted without coding. Now, most VAG vehicles, but clearly not all, come with that prep if they have towing credentials. A towbar can under those circumstances be added without the need for coding and will be recognised by the cars systems.

Because of this mess, dealer towbar availability is nigh on zero. You can still have an aftermarket towbar fitted but without coding it won't for example switch off parking sensors when a trailer is hooked up. Nor will it de-activate various driver assist systems. So not ideal on an expensive car.

The VAG cars are now effectively locked down at birth... The reason for this encryption was a fear with EU authorities that allowing firmware changes could allow a bad state actor to effectively take over and disabled the cars software safety systems... Maybe even disabled braking on ACC for example. One could imagine the chaos..
 

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