Keeping to 20 mph

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Here’s what Google AI says about route selection. Being Googles own AI search answer it must be correct😱

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So maybe I wasn't imagining it 😲

 

[otherclive]

Here is link copied from another website. https://olderdriversforum.com/ I am considering doing the IAM assessment.


I have never come across a car where the Sastnav updates to warn you of roadworks, accident and offer alternative route. One of the reasons why I carry the TomTom in the car just in case.

Doesn't the Lexus have it or the Yaris which is the more modern. Mine has to be navigating a route to show such data. if it is not navigating all I see is the car on the map and adjacent roads, plus fuel and parking locations etc. When I'm navigating if something on the route. occurs that may affect route or journey time a list of info slides out from the right hand side of the display screen.

 

[Dustydog]

if you look at the car’s NCAP report you can get chapter and verse on how it might cope. Though hope not to test it. On the first YouTube NCAP tests you can actually see videos of cars being tested for emergency autonomous braking, or pedestrian detection braking, etc. I can’t understand why anyone would doubt the potential of such systems providing supplementary backup capabilities

https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/55650/euroncap-2019-toyota-rav4-datasheet.pdf

We are not all as techie as you Clive which is why I asked. Nothing to do with doubt?where did that come from?

Any way interesting video in ideal conditions.
Does your system allow for adverse weather conditions?

On Roger’s RCD my AWS tests the reaction time in milli seconds annually. Hopefully others check or get theirs checked. Some say a 6 monthly test is sensible. But not mandatory.

Roger said
It's worth doing the IAM assessment - most people are surprised at the number of bad habits they've picked up over the years.

Totally agree . I was the Chairman and senior Observer of our local IAM Institute for five years many years ago. I still go for a free assessment annually . But it is a bit like riding a bike , you don’t forget. o creep in, like driving with one hand, resting elbow on the armrest
Bad habits? Absolutely🤪They creep in like driving with one hand, resting elbow on the armrest🙀

 

[otherclive]

We are not all as techie as you Clive which is why I asked. Nothing to do with doubt?where did that come from?

Any way interesting video in ideal conditions.
Does your system allow for adverse weather conditions?

On Roger’s RCD my AWS tests the reaction time in milli seconds annually. Hopefully others check or get theirs checked. Some say a 6 monthly test is sensible. But not mandatory.

Roger said
It's worth doing the IAM assessment - most people are surprised at the number of bad habits they've picked up over the years.

Totally agree . I was the Chairman and senior Observer of our local IAM Institute for five years many years ago. I still go for a free assessment annually . But it is a bit like riding a bike , you don’t forget. o creep in, like driving with one hand, resting elbow on the armrest
Bad habits? Absolutely🤪They creep in like driving with one hand, resting elbow on the armrest🙀

I just sensed that you were a bit sceptical, that's all. No, NCAP tests are not carried out in adverse weather conditions as you would lose the element of standardisation required to make valid comparisons. I suppose you could use climatic chambers but at what costs/benefits.

I am aware that adverse weather will affect the forward looking radars, (fog, heavy rain, snow), but hopefully the driver is compensating when encountering such conditions. Then of course tyre grip can be affected by different road surfaces, weather conditions and driver actions. So I do not view these autonomous systems as a subsistute for the driver, but more a supplementary safety aid which could make the difference in the outcome of an incident for the car's occupants and/or outside parties.

 

[Sam Vimes]

When I got my newish car I didn't realise it had Automatic Emergency Braking fitted until one day in mucky weather I got a warning stating the radar wasn't functional.

I checked and sure enough the car has it. Based on a combination of the radar unit behind the grill and the windscreen camera.

It's a two level system. First level gives you a Yellow Warning and Loud Fast Beeps that you're approaching something too fast. Second Level is Red where the brakes actually get applied.

I've had a number if false positives on the Yellow. It doesn't like the black and white chevrons on bends.

In just a few cases.when the yellow is true I've always got to the brakes before getting a Red.

Some folks have reported false positive Reds which is a bit worrying in respect of unnecessary braking.

In respect of Sat Navs providing live road closures, accidents etc. it's going to need a mobile phone signal good enough to get mobile data.

 

[otherclive]

When I got my newish car I didn't realise it had Automatic Emergency Braking fitted until one day in mucky weather I got a warning stating the radar wasn't functional.

I checked and sure enough the car has it. Based on a combination of the radar unit behind the grill and the windscreen camera.

It's a two level system. First level gives you a Yellow Warning and Loud Fast Beeps that you're approaching something too fast. Second Level is Red where the brakes actually get applied.

I've had a number if false positives on the Yellow. It doesn't like the black and white chevrons on bends.

In just a few cases.when the yellow is true I've always got to the brakes before getting a Red.

Some folks have reported false positive Reds which is a bit worrying in respect of unnecessary braking.

In respect of Sat Navs providing live road closures, accidents etc. it's going to need a mobile phone signal good enough to get mobile data.

Thats a useful feedback on the braking system support. My car has can receive real time data when it's navigating. When I turn it on it tells me if it can connect to the Toyota servers or it cannot. That's a mobile signal strength aspect, so It must have something akin to a multi SIM, that's as far as I've gone into trying to understand all its idiosyncrasies, but it will log in to my domestic wifi, or use its multi SIM( or whatever) to provide wifi inside the car to five users....its only a five seater. Not sure I will test that feature, after all it is a car bought primarily for transpiration. If I wanted non- home wifi I would buy a caravan again.

 

[RogerL]

When I got my newish car I didn't realise it had Automatic Emergency Braking fitted until one day in mucky weather I got a warning stating the radar wasn't functional.

I checked and sure enough the car has it. Based on a combination of the radar unit behind the grill and the windscreen camera.

It's a two level system. First level gives you a Yellow Warning and Loud Fast Beeps that you're approaching something too fast. Second Level is Red where the brakes actually get applied.

I've had a number if false positives on the Yellow. It doesn't like the black and white chevrons on bends.

In just a few cases.when the yellow is true I've always got to the brakes before getting a Red.

Some folks have reported false positive Reds which is a bit worrying in respect of unnecessary braking.

In respect of Sat Navs providing live road closures, accidents etc. it's going to need a mobile phone signal good enough to get mobile data.

False positives would annoy me intensely - I like to drive without testing the limits - so I never get ABS activating (although I do test it on every new car!) and never get ATC activating when towing.

 

[Buckman]

As delivered, the satnav in my Touareg used a combination of the satnav and the traffic feature to re-route journeys if delays became apparent, ie accident or roadworks but the traffic signal they used got switched off and no alternative available.

I use Google Maps to pre-plan routes on the PC at home, then Waze on my phone during the journey - sometimes with the car's inbuilt satnav as well!

It's worth doing the IAM assessment - most people are surprised at the number of bad habits they've picked up over the years.

Passed my IAM test many years ago to qualify for rapid response in an Austin Westminster. This was in the early seventies so things have probably changed since. We had to be able to quote the "highway" quote verbatim from the book. Spelling or grammar mistake and you lost points.

 

[Buckman]

Doesn't the Lexus have it or the Yaris which is the more modern. Mine has to be navigating a route to show such data. if it is not navigating all I see is the car on the map and adjacent roads, plus fuel and parking locations etc. When I'm navigating if something on the route. occurs that may affect route or journey time a list of info slides out from the right hand side of the display screen.

I think I have used the system in the car once and have never delved into it in depth as it should be the same or better than the RAV4. Maybe I should spend time going through the manual.

 

[RogerL]

Passed my IAM test many years ago to qualify for rapid response in an Austin Westminster. This was in the early seventies so things have probably changed since. We had to be able to quote the "highway" quote verbatim from the book. Spelling or grammar mistake and you lost points.

If you kept your IAM membership up, be wary about taking a retest to become a Fellow - as failure removes your original qualification!

But taking the re-assessment doesn't affect your membership/qualification status even if you "fail"

 

[Buckman]

If you kept your IAM membership up, be wary about taking a retest to become a Fellow - as failure removes your original qualification!

But taking the re-assessment doesn't affect your membership/qualification status even if you "fail"

I took the test in the former Rhodesia under the supervision of qualified IAM police driving instructor. I never kept up the membership when I moved to South Africa in the late seventies.

 

[Tobes]

Here is link copied from another website. https://olderdriversforum.com/ I am considering doing the IAM assessment.


I have never come across a car where the Sastnav updates to warn you of roadworks, accident and offer alternative route. One of the reasons why I carry the TomTom in the car just in case.

My Volvo navs have all done that going back to 2006.

 

[Buckman]

My Volvo navs have all done that going back to 2006.

Strange then that it was not possible on our S80?

 

[Tobes]

Strange then that it was not possible on our S80?

It was a setting on all of them. 2006 S60 T5, 2007 XC90, both had "rise out of the dash" screens with RTI-TMS. They let you turn on diversions for real time traffic including accidents, closed roads and traffic. 2008 V50, had a fold up out of the dash screen with the same system. 2016 V60 had the sensus nav 1st gen. My son drives it and it is internet connected via cell phone hot spot or its own SIM, for additional data.

 

[otherclive]

I think I have used the system in the car once and have never delved into it in depth as it should be the same or better than the RAV4. Maybe I should spend time going through the manual.

Not sure why the Lexus satnav system should be better than the RAV4 as mine is fifth generation and your model is, I believe, based on the fourth generation RAV4. A good wander trough the very comprehensive Satnav/infotainment manualcould be a good use of a wet day. Unfortunately mines mainly on line and around 800 pages which puts me to sleep rather quickly. 😂

 

[otherclive]

It was a setting on all of them. 2006 S60 T5, 2007 XC90, both had "rise out of the dash" screens with RTI-TMS. They let you turn on diversions for real time traffic including accidents, closed roads and traffic. 2008 V50, had a fold up out of the dash screen with the same system. 2016 V60 had the sensus nav 1st gen. My son drives it and it is internet connected via cell phone hot spot or its own SIM, for additional data.

My 2010 XC70 had similar features to what you describe with elevating rise up screen I suspect Buckman S80 pre dated 2006 and it’s design was made by Volvo prior to Ford ownership. Possibly Fords input led to such changes in later Volvos as technology progressed too.

 

[Buckman]

It was a setting on all of them. 2006 S60 T5, 2007 XC90, both had "rise out of the dash" screens with RTI-TMS. They let you turn on diversions for real time traffic including accidents, closed roads and traffic. 2008 V50, had a fold up out of the dash screen with the same system. 2016 V60 had the sensus nav 1st gen. My son drives it and it is internet connected via cell phone hot spot or its own SIM, for additional data.

The S80 had the useless pop up and if I remember correctly after the first year you needed to pay a subscription. Certainly did not include real time traffic incidents. The S80 although extremely comfortable was one of the worst cars we ever owned. Spent more time being repaired than us using it. Took a big hit and sold it after 18 months. Bought a 1997 Toyota Surf 4x4 and had that for7 years. Hardly spent a penny on it in that time.

 

[otherclive]

The S80 had the useless pop up and if I remember correctly after the first year you needed to pay a subscription. Certainly did not include real time traffic incidents. The S80 although extremely comfortable was one of the worst cars we ever owned. Spent more time being repaired than us using it. Took a big hit and sold it after 18 months. Bought a 1997 Toyota Surf 4x4 and had that for7 years. Hardly spent a penny on it in that time.

Unfortunately car makers do seem to charge exorbitant prices for updates. My Volva gave annual updates for three years same as Subaru, but my Kia XCeed gave a full seven years with self installed updates available four times a year. No such luck with Toyota, three years is your lot. Also it getting progressively more difficult to acquire updates from non OEM sources. My Subaru was impossible, and the Toyota too.

 

[Tobes]

The S80 had the useless pop up and if I remember correctly after the first year you needed to pay a subscription. Certainly did not include real time traffic incidents. The S80 although extremely comfortable was one of the worst cars we ever owned. Spent more time being repaired than us using it. Took a big hit and sold it after 18 months. Bought a 1997 Toyota Surf 4x4 and had that for7 years. Hardly spent a penny on it in that time.

May have been an age thing. There was no subscription on ours, but map updates were not free (until the V60 where they are). I would persuade our dealer to throw in an update at each service.

 

[RogerL]

Not sure why the Lexus satnav system should be better than the RAV4 as mine is fifth generation and your model is, I believe, based on the fourth generation RAV4. A good wander trough the very comprehensive Satnav/infotainment manualcould be a good use of a wet day. Unfortunately mines mainly on line and around 800 pages which puts me to sleep rather quickly. 😂

It's common for more expensive brands to have more recent version of infotainment than their lesser branded siblings. It's also common for car makers to turn off certain features for "lesser" models in their brand ranges - on a global forum, users take great delight in finding features that can be turned on through the diagnostics for a Volkswagen Touareg which are standard on Audi or Porsche models!

 

[otherclive]

It's common for more expensive brands to have more recent version of infotainment than their lesser branded siblings. It's also common for car makers to turn off certain features for "lesser" models in their brand ranges - on a global forum, users take great delight in finding features that can be turned on through the diagnostics for a Volkswagen Touareg which are standard on Audi or Porsche models!

Well with a bit of investigation Buckman could be in for a pleasant surprise.

 

[Buckman]

Not sure why the Lexus satnav system should be better than the RAV4 as mine is fifth generation and your model is, I believe, based on the fourth generation RAV4. A good wander trough the very comprehensive Satnav/infotainment manualcould be a good use of a wet day. Unfortunately mines mainly on line and around 800 pages which puts me to sleep rather quickly. 😂

I did state the same of better than the RAV4 because I have never used the Satnav in a 2021 RAV4. However I would think both systems are very similar?

The good news is that the Satnav manual is separate from the owner's manual and is only 306 pages and all Online. LOL!

 

[ProfJohnL]

One of the reasons Google maps has become so popular, is becasue they are about as up-to-date as you can get. and the system takes into account traffic conditions, and many road works. And so far it's free, No subscription (yet)

 

[Buckman]

One of the reasons Google maps has become so popular, is becasue they are about as up-to-date as you can get. and the system takes into account traffic conditions, and many road works. And so far it's free, No subscription (yet)

I am not aware that it takes into account traffic etc however it is excellent and taking you the longest route possible to a destination. Try using Google in Bath and see how far you get. LOL!

 

[RogerL]

I am not aware that it takes into account traffic etc however it is excellent and taking you the longest route possible to a destination. Try using Google in Bath and see how far you get. LOL!

Maybe you need to check your settings - Google always checks traffic conditions when I use it and usually selects the quickest route.