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Lutz , I see on Yahoo USA this week that Toyota are under fire again for using up the small ammount of precious minerals in the world needed to make their latest hybrid batteries.

It seems the Prius and Lexus are using up resources faster than oil, and that China may restrict their supplies to try and eek them out.
 
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I'm just waiting for lithium ion batteries to replace the nickel-metal hydride ones.
 
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I understand that the concerns are for a new generation of batteries as Toyota were said to be trying to buy up all the supplies or something.

I can't find the article at present.
 
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The next generation of lithium ion batteries will not only be used by Toyota, but by virtually all car manufacturers planning to enter the electric car market and, for that matter, also all non-automotive applications where high performance batteries are required. As more and more manufacturers are beginning to favour monovalent electric rather than hybrid drive, the demand will increase even more.
 
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31.08.2009

"As hybrid cars gobble rare metals, shortage looms!

LOS ANGELES - The Prius hybrid automobile is popular for its fuel efficiency, but its electric motor and battery guzzle rare earth metals, a little-known class of elements found in a wide range of gadgets and consumer goods.

That makes Toyota's market-leading gasoline-electric hybrid car and other similar vehicles vulnerable to a supply crunch predicted by experts as China, the world's dominant rare earths producer, limits exports while global demand swells.

Worldwide demand for rare earths, covering 15 entries on the periodic table of elements, is expected to exceed supply by some 40,000 tonnes annually in several years unless major new production sources are developed. One promising U.S. source is a rare earths mine slated to reopen in California by 2012.

Among the rare earths that would be most affected in a shortage is neodymium, the key component of an alloy used to make the high-power, lightweight magnets for electric motors of hybrid cars, such as the Prius, Honda Insight and Ford Focus, as well as in generators for wind turbines.

Close cousins terbium and dysprosium are added in smaller amounts to the alloy to preserve neodymium's magnetic properties at high temperatures. Yet another rare earth metal, lanthanum, is a major ingredient for hybrid car batteries.

Production of both hybrids cars and wind turbines is expected to climb sharply amid the clamor for cleaner transportation and energy alternatives that reduce dependence on fossil fuels blamed for global climate change.

Toyota has 70 percent of the U.S. market for vehicles powered by a combination of an internal-combustion engine and electric motor. The Prius is its No. 1 hybrid seller.

Jack Lifton, an independent commodities consultant and strategic metals expert, calls the Prius "the biggest user of rare earths of any object in the world."

Each electric Prius motor requires 1 kilogram (2.2 lb) of neodymium, and each battery uses 10 to 15 kg (22-33 lb) of lanthanum. That number will nearly double under Toyota's plans to boost the car's fuel economy, he said.

Toyota plans to sell 100,000 Prius cars in the United States alone for 2009, and 180,000 next year. The company forecasts sales of 1 million units per year starting in 2010.

As China's industries begin to consume most of its own rare earth production, Toyota and other companies are seeking to secure reliable reserves for themselves."

I understand that Toyota are still behind with their chosen style of Lithium Ion Batteries. Goodness only knows what effects developing new rare eath mines has on the environment.

If wind turbine technology needs the same rare earth elements we have conflict between power needs and auto needs as well.

It just reinforces my belief that we are being conned with these green technologies.
 
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If there is a real prospect of a rare earth shortage I am sure that engineers will take on the challenge to find alternatives. Fact is, however, that sooner or later we'll have to depart from old philosophies of engine propulsion, if only due to soaring prices of fossil fuels. It seems clear to me that the ever increasing taxes on such fuels that many governments throughout the world are levying is only to put pressure on industry to get something done before the big crunch comes anyway, and perhaps quicker than we are able to find alternative solutions.
 
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Returning to Nigel's comment regarding 'sway', I picked up my new 1800kg single axle caravan with it yesterday and despite next to no payload in the car and a very low noseweight due to lack of suitable ballast, it towed very well with no hint of sway. However, I can confirm D's comment with the heavier caravan about a certain degree of torque steer when the car is subjected to a sudden bout of acceleration. Also, that the fuel consumption benefits of a hybrid drive are only realised in the solo condition, not when towing. Solo I am getting around 34mpg, around 18 when towing in a hurry (bit still within legal limits I hasten to add). However, that doesn't concern me because I do a lot more driving in the solo condition.
 
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Lutz,

I'm really pleased for you that your outfit remained stable, and hope that it continues to do so when laden. Like you suggest, it might have been something to do with the wheels/tyres fitted to the test vehicle as the caravans were all ballasted (low down) very carefully under the guidance of both Swift and Al-ko, and as there was no "sway" with other vehicles we can be confident that it was not the 'van that was the issue. The only other thing was that all of the stabilizers were removed and replaced by standard Al-ko hitches, so perhaps that had some bearing also.

Enjoy your outfit, and your new caravan.

Nigel.
 
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my recommendation is the range rover sport supercharged 5.0 v8 its much better on the environment than the lexus it does that extra bit to melt the ice caps :)
 

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