Help ! We have just bought a bailey Pegasus Rimini 2014. Some of the lights namely 2 in the front lounge area , 1 in the bedroom area and 2 in the bathroom not working. We have tried all switches, 240v and with the 12v master switch on and no joy. Are we missing something ? Any help appreciated. Tony
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Are you plugged into the mains? Have you turned on at the consumer unit, or is one of the breakers down?
The annoying thing is that with the mains off the LED lights under the kitchen cupboards work ok. Guessing that the lights not working are 12v and that somewhere there is a break but do not know where to start. Could drop the fittings and take out the switches I suppose and test for volts. Would eventually get me back to the main 12v switch inside the door.
Parksy
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Sparky214 said:
First of all, check which are the 230v lights, they should work on ehu (electric hook up) and cease to work when the ehu is disconnected.
I'm not familiar with Bailey control panels, but before you begin to dismantle your caravan electrics ensure that the 12v habitation switch is not set to 'towing' for when the towing vehicle 12v is connected.
Check that your leisure battery is fully charged.
Check the 12v fuses
Thanks Parksy
Habitation switch ?? Battery has been on charge for good couple of weeks since we picked it up. The battery was new and I have seen 13.5V on the monitoring panel. Lighting 12v fuses checked and are ok. Not sure if any of the lights are 230V , the spot lights at the bedroom area also not working but working at the front of the van.
Habitation switch ?? Battery has been on charge for good couple of weeks since we picked it up. The battery was new and I have seen 13.5V on the monitoring panel. Lighting 12v fuses checked and are ok. Not sure if any of the lights are 230V , the spot lights at the bedroom area also not working but working at the front of the van.
What would be good would be to find a wiring diagram of the bailey Pegasus. How does the master switch control the outgoing 12v circuits ? Is there a relay of some kind ?
Tony ,Sparky214 said:
All my Baileys came with a wiring diagram in the owners handbook.
None of the lights are 230v, just12v.
The puxxle is that the failed lights in your case are in all parts of the caravan. As you have checked the fuses and they are ok have you checked that power is reaching the fuse?
I suspect that somewhere near the fuse assembly an earth return wire has come adrift. I’m sure you have tested each bulb just in case a duff batch was fitted.?
Have you tested for 12v at each of the bulb sockets?
I’d start checking the continuity of both the live and earth sides starting at the battery and then to the consumer unit. A lot of the wires will,run under beds and seating. Joins are usually made with screw connectors. Carelessly stowed kit can disturb them.
On your master Bailey control panel have switched on both the master 12 v and interior light switches? If this sounds daft, my apologies now but sometimes the most simple things are the cause B)
Hi Dustydog,
Ok, wiring diagram not good in the book. Did think they were all 12v. Have not done much more investigating to be honest but did plug in a martindale to a socket and it showed no earth . Will have to have a look around under benches. All the fittings are LED so thinking they are pretty reliable and too much of a coincidence for them all to have gone. Going to get close to the fuses and check outputs. Thanks again
Ok, wiring diagram not good in the book. Did think they were all 12v. Have not done much more investigating to be honest but did plug in a martindale to a socket and it showed no earth . Will have to have a look around under benches. All the fittings are LED so thinking they are pretty reliable and too much of a coincidence for them all to have gone. Going to get close to the fuses and check outputs. Thanks again
Ok , have now checked 12v pcb fuseboard and after operating main switch have 12v at fuses and fuses ok. Using wandering lead connected to battery neutral went to switch in bathroom but no 12v present either side of switch. Where does cable go from 12v fuse to light switches ?
Parksy
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The wiring for switches, lights etc can run along floors under locker and bed spaces, behind overhead lockers or even behind ceiling panels.
Earlier you stated that you'd bought this caravan, did you buy from a dealership or from a private vendor?
Did you check that everything was working before you took delivery?
If you bought from a dealers you ought to contact them to insist that they carry out repairs, you shouldn't have to carry out d-i-y electrical repairs to a caravan that you've only just bought.
Earlier you stated that you'd bought this caravan, did you buy from a dealership or from a private vendor?
Did you check that everything was working before you took delivery?
If you bought from a dealers you ought to contact them to insist that they carry out repairs, you shouldn't have to carry out d-i-y electrical repairs to a caravan that you've only just bought.
Hi Parky,
Dealership and you are quite correct. Have Emailed them but of course it is bank holiday. The handover was more him saying that it had had a full service and giving us paperwork. Was only going to go so far.
Dealership and you are quite correct. Have Emailed them but of course it is bank holiday. The handover was more him saying that it had had a full service and giving us paperwork. Was only going to go so far.
Parksy
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It's definitely worth contacting the dealers then Sparky, there might be something obvious that you (and us) have missed which they would know about, but the law is on your side so don't spend any money to rectify the problem.
Have been given the go ahead to get an approved caravan engineer to sort problem. Unfortunately not too many around Essex. The nearest on the approved list seems to be in Kent. Waiting for call back from nearest one !! Will let you know how it goes.
Ok well after getting very limited response from approved caravan repairers I fixed it myself.
Was told that some of these mobile chaps are not always that good at electrics so as I am a qualified electrician decided to bite the bullet and get it done.
Found the front lights had negative connection missing ( this also linked to the rear bathroom lights and bedroom area) and the 12v non switched feed also missing. Ran in new cables and tested . All now ok. We can now go away in July and at least see when the sun goes down.
Was told that some of these mobile chaps are not always that good at electrics so as I am a qualified electrician decided to bite the bullet and get it done.
Found the front lights had negative connection missing ( this also linked to the rear bathroom lights and bedroom area) and the 12v non switched feed also missing. Ran in new cables and tested . All now ok. We can now go away in July and at least see when the sun goes down.
Hello Sparky,
I'm glad you have been able to fix the problems you had, and can get away. Don't forget to bill the dealer for your time and materials.
But the missing negative wire raises a question, did you mean the cable was missing or just that it had lost continuity? If it was missing, how on earth (please excuse the pun) did it get through its initial PDI when it was first sold? I know you don't have the answer to that question. I do wonder if some how it was making connection but by using the metallic parts of the caravan, so it might have worked initially, but as the caravan has been used the metal to metal contact of body panels could easily degrade and ultimately over time, both corrosion and physical separation of panel joints reduced their ability to carry the zero volts line for teh 12V lights.
If that is what has happened, then the caravan did not meet NCC standards which calls for all 0V circuits to use wires and not rely on panel interfaces to carry the current.
I'm glad you have been able to fix the problems you had, and can get away. Don't forget to bill the dealer for your time and materials.
But the missing negative wire raises a question, did you mean the cable was missing or just that it had lost continuity? If it was missing, how on earth (please excuse the pun) did it get through its initial PDI when it was first sold? I know you don't have the answer to that question. I do wonder if some how it was making connection but by using the metallic parts of the caravan, so it might have worked initially, but as the caravan has been used the metal to metal contact of body panels could easily degrade and ultimately over time, both corrosion and physical separation of panel joints reduced their ability to carry the zero volts line for teh 12V lights.
If that is what has happened, then the caravan did not meet NCC standards which calls for all 0V circuits to use wires and not rely on panel interfaces to carry the current.
Hi ProfJohnL
When I say missing you are quite correct it had lost continuity. Some sort of cable break I presume but one that cannot be seen . Obviously the fault is not such that it trips the RCD or one of the fuses. Basically I gave the lights what they were missing, luckily I could run the cables through the back of the cupboards with the others. LED lighting does not draw much current so another bonus.
When I say missing you are quite correct it had lost continuity. Some sort of cable break I presume but one that cannot be seen . Obviously the fault is not such that it trips the RCD or one of the fuses. Basically I gave the lights what they were missing, luckily I could run the cables through the back of the cupboards with the others. LED lighting does not draw much current so another bonus.
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