Saw this article this morning https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/lpg-decline-incentives-disappear-and-pumps-close the number of LPG outlets has dropped by 75% and is no longer the cheap fuel - presumably makes it harder to break even from using a Safefill compared to Flogas LPG.
LPG on the way out
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Strangely last year a new LPG outlet opened not far from us. The last time we filled our Safefill there it was about £0.70p a litre? To fill an almost empty 7.5kg bottle cost us under £10. We gave up on Calorgas several or more years ago so broke even a few years ago.
Our local Morrison’s stopped selling Autogas around two years ago. I think they have sold or are in the process of selling their forecourts.
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Is this the stuff that vehicles with “underslung gas tanks” use. There was a brand new motorhome ( forget which one) at the Nec last week where this was a sales feature.
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Morrisons is selling its forecourts to Motor Fuel Group (MFG) and rebranding the kiosks as "Morrison Daily"
Don't know how LPG supply works in UK. In NZ we've few different bottle sizes with 9kg being most common by far. Most garages offer swap a 9kg bottle instead of filling. LPG company supplies garage with full bottles and takes the old ones away for filling and testing if needed. Works out about twice as expensive as fill but very convenient for both customers and retails which don't need LPG infrastructure. Swap a bottles are available in most small towns.
Price is same regardless of how much gas is left in bottle, unless customers have 2 bottles they rarely run one dry before swapping.
Can still fill bottles and need to if using 4kg and 14kg, but fill stations are far and few between, maybe one or two in a city.
Price is same regardless of how much gas is left in bottle, unless customers have 2 bottles they rarely run one dry before swapping.
Can still fill bottles and need to if using 4kg and 14kg, but fill stations are far and few between, maybe one or two in a city.
The process and relative costs of pre filled and pumped LPG are similar, but in the UK most (before anyone says otherwise) suppliers are tied to a particular brand of bottled gas, and wont swap out bottles against a different brand.
The classic supplier in the UK was Calor, who rented you a bottle ( you never owned it) and they would only swap out for another Calor bottle.
Calor suppliers will not accept anything other than a Calor bottle for exchange. But if you look in the Flogas website there is a long list of other suppliers cylinders that are accepted for exchange. But Calor is not on the list for obvious reasons.
In our area several outlets including BQ have now transferred to Flogas for steel or composite cylinder exchanges.
In our area several outlets including BQ have now transferred to Flogas for steel or composite cylinder exchanges.
Can't comment on refillable bottles, but LPG is sadly losing more outlets. Pity, especially from a driving perspective.
I had a 2001 BMW 525i which I converted years ago. Cost me £1800 to convert. I had the car for about 13 yrs and did just over 200k miles in her, towing and normal usage.
Kept a very close eye on costs. I saved over £40k in fuel cost using LPG in those 13 yrs..
Would still have her as she was immaculate, and passed every MOT with flying colours, until the fateful day a HGV driver messed up. Total destruction and minor injuries.
I don't understand the move away from LPG. Its a by-product of the oil industry( in part the flame you see on oil rigs) and a lot more environmentally friendly than EV.
LPG will never disappear, just like petrol and diesel wont. The government have got it wrong.😡
I had a 2001 BMW 525i which I converted years ago. Cost me £1800 to convert. I had the car for about 13 yrs and did just over 200k miles in her, towing and normal usage.
Kept a very close eye on costs. I saved over £40k in fuel cost using LPG in those 13 yrs..
Would still have her as she was immaculate, and passed every MOT with flying colours, until the fateful day a HGV driver messed up. Total destruction and minor injuries.
I don't understand the move away from LPG. Its a by-product of the oil industry( in part the flame you see on oil rigs) and a lot more environmentally friendly than EV.
LPG will never disappear, just like petrol and diesel wont. The government have got it wrong.😡
However the cost of the electric is apparently linked to the gas of gas therefore they must be using gas to provide the electric? Therefore whether using gas or not there seems to be no difference to the impact on the environment.
Any fossil fuel that is burnt in a compression engine is wasteful becasue of the inherent inefficiencies of ICE engines, and the waste they do produce does contain environmentally damaging components. Once the fuel is burnt its gone, and cannot be recycled in any way.
LPG is generally a by product of the oil industry, but as the demand for oil based products decreases, so will the by products including LPG's which is more than likely to see cost increases to to cover lower volume sales.
Of course these a difference, just becasue a price is linked, it doesn't mean that all the electricity generated from renewables means the same quantity of natural or LPG is burnt, it re educes the amount of gas or other forms of fuel used to generate it.However the cost of the electric is apparently linked to the gas of gas therefore they must be using gas to provide the electric? Therefore whether using gas or not there seems to be no difference to the impact on the environment.
If you look at grid watch you can see an hourly record of what energy sources are in use, and whether the connectors to Europe are importing or exporting. The more renewables that come on line, here or in Europe, , plus nuclear will lead to further reductions in gas usage for generating electricity.However the cost of the electric is apparently linked to the gas of gas therefore they must be using gas to provide the electric? Therefore whether using gas or not there seems to be no difference to the impact on the environment.
PS Currently gas is 31% and Carbon neutral 42%
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LPG is not wholly a by product of the oil industry, it is the raw petrochem product for example from Qatar's gas reserves.
Quite logically here in the UK, IMO, LPG forecourt pumps will dwindle.
The targeted banning of ICE powered vehicles together with the decline in number of users buying significant quantiles of pumped LPG , makes the financial overhead costs of providing it at forecourts too costly.
The loss of automotive powering sales is never going to be replaced by us buying our few litres for our caravans and motorhomes. Many of these users also covering their higher energy needs from site EHUs.
Its continuing availability for our leisure use will largely depend on non forecourt outlets, piggy backing on larger users, like agricultural, grain drying and the like. Even the often sited venders to Taxis as a source, is doomed as these vehicles powered by LPG overtime become banned or hit by increasing pollution surcharges.
Quite logically here in the UK, IMO, LPG forecourt pumps will dwindle.
The targeted banning of ICE powered vehicles together with the decline in number of users buying significant quantiles of pumped LPG , makes the financial overhead costs of providing it at forecourts too costly.
The loss of automotive powering sales is never going to be replaced by us buying our few litres for our caravans and motorhomes. Many of these users also covering their higher energy needs from site EHUs.
Its continuing availability for our leisure use will largely depend on non forecourt outlets, piggy backing on larger users, like agricultural, grain drying and the like. Even the often sited venders to Taxis as a source, is doomed as these vehicles powered by LPG overtime become banned or hit by increasing pollution surcharges.
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