Margaret Thatcher
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I thought those "kids" dancing in celebration was pretty disgraceful. They looked too young to have known her!
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I thought those "kids" dancing in celebration was pretty disgraceful. They looked too young to have known her!
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She was an elderly woman who was loved by her family and will be missed by them and her friends. She worked hard for what she considered to be the benefit of this country. Whether you agreed with her politics or not her passing should be marked with the respect that all human beings deserve.
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indeed she has seth, ones attitude towards the news will entirely depend on how one was affected by her in life, no more no less,seth said:
some were more affected than others so the difference in attitude is understandable,
what is not so understandable is the need to spend £10+ million to send her on her way. using that money to keep childrens hosptials open so more kids could live would be a far better use of public funds, and by far a better legacy than the one she has left.
seth said:
The issue is that many of those "celebrating" were only kids under 6 when she was in power and they are behaving like savages. I was under the impression that we live in a civilised first world country where the majority are educated and civilised. Perhaps they should be shipped off to N Korea to understand suppression.
As a former Rhodesian resident if any one has the right to "celebrate" it should be Rhodesians who were shafted by her government at the time, however we do not hold grudges and have moved on with our lives and will honour her death as she did great things for Britain and made Britain a leading power at the time.
We are referring to her being in power well over 20 years ago and what sort of morons cannot move on with their lives and still habour resentment and hatred after all these years?
i dont agree with being disrespectful to the dead, but surfer "morons" are people who dont learn, not those that dont forget and indeed she maggie will not be forgetten by most for varying reason. and no what makes you thing Rhodesians of that time have any more right to celebrate her passing on [not really a good thing to say] than those who suffered here in the UK. to many she brought a dog eat dog mentality to this country thats never been shaken off fully, so its understandable that civility isnt high on the list for many people who detested her....Surfer said:
I left school and went to college in 1979, i watched as apprentiships dissapeared kids forced to do YTS schemes and the likes with no prospects of proper jobs,the main industries around my part of the world were rolls royce, brush and an absolutely huge shoe industry, which had all but dissapeared before 1990, other other parts of our glorious country lost massive steel works and of course we have the minning industry the car industry and thre mis use of 220 billion pounds of oil revinue from scotland. replaced by what?
major service industries! finance and banking!
she was a key player in aparthied,you know your neighbours next door by repeatly refusing to take sactions against the government of south Africa,because too many of her supporters had their fingers over there in the pot...Yes she will be remembered by many for many varying reasons, some good reasons too.
She was correct about Sourth Africa as it is now worse than before with reverse apartheid, crime spiralling out of control, corruption at all levels in government etc etc. I have to assume she was correct in many other aspects!JonnyG said:
surfer, maybe you should ask the black and asian residents of south Africa if how things are now is worse than still living under apartheid? If we here in the UK cannot sort our own mess out,and we have centuries of practice how can a country like south Africa sort out its problems in two decades?
By her own admission Thatcher was never a consensus politician and her policies were divisive at the time and some of the divisiveness resonates to this day.
She divided her own cabinet to such an extent over her introduction of the poll tax that they eventually got rid of her as their leader.
She polarised the electorate and this is reflected in the spectrum of opinion displayed now that she has died.
We don't do politics on this forum but if anyone wishes to express sorrow at the passing of Margaret Thatcher they are free to do so as long as they just do that.
Whatever some of us may think of her, Mel has summed it up best earlier in this thread................
She divided her own cabinet to such an extent over her introduction of the poll tax that they eventually got rid of her as their leader.
She polarised the electorate and this is reflected in the spectrum of opinion displayed now that she has died.
We don't do politics on this forum but if anyone wishes to express sorrow at the passing of Margaret Thatcher they are free to do so as long as they just do that.
Whatever some of us may think of her, Mel has summed it up best earlier in this thread................
Mel said:
Gabsgrandad said:
Perhaps I ought to have just said that Thatcher was a Marmite politician and left it at that
I sincerely hope that her funeral passes without serious incident, there's a time and a place for everything and her friends, family and admirers should be allowed to mourn her passing without bile and hatred disrupting the proceedings.
I was trying not to bring politics into it.No matter who she is or was a bit of respect would,nt go amiss for the dead.One very good statement of maggies-"if your that good why arent you doing it in the private sector instead of for the state."
Because of the poor British mentality,the like of BL whose products were crap,crippling the uk Truck industry on its way,whose workers spent on average 3 days out of 5 on strike every week and then expected the Tax payer to fund it.
All the miners that bought their own houses,Scargill was still on full pay all the way,flying pickets intimedating willing workers and what some of the pitts had very little life left in them anyway.
We were fools to ourselves and now were paying for it.
Because of the poor British mentality,the like of BL whose products were crap,crippling the uk Truck industry on its way,whose workers spent on average 3 days out of 5 on strike every week and then expected the Tax payer to fund it.
All the miners that bought their own houses,Scargill was still on full pay all the way,flying pickets intimedating willing workers and what some of the pitts had very little life left in them anyway.
We were fools to ourselves and now were paying for it.
I too was trying very hard not bring politics into the thread merely pointing out that Thatcher was in office and in life such a controvertial figure that even in death the divisions in society caused at the time. still resonate 30 years on, this is because memories can not readily be put on the "to forget" list. no more that anyone who lived through the war could forget that it ever happend.seth said:
for some this is exactly how it seemed at the time as if one was in a war fighting "literaly for the fabric of ones life" this is the reason for the celebrations in some quarters right or wrong it is understandable.
there are allways two side to any argument and thefore any comments become protracted heated debates, this is the reason such topics are frowned upon by the forum moderators and haymarket in general it detracts from the subtance of what the forum is all about, I for one will not add to it. and after this reply will take no futher part.
however a quick reply to the general assertions posed by seth should be answered "just once" if only to address the balance.
1. nice quote from maggie heres another one "unemployment is a price worth paying" unemployment is never worth the cost as for every one person unemployed is one less tax payer and one more on benefits. 3million of them cost us dear.
2 ,the like of BL whose products were crap ,crippling the uk, "what like the Mini you mean" the thing that was wrong with BL was a lack of investment pure and simple, many of the designs and consepts are still in use today like transverse engines ect, dont forget most of the cars around at the time were well not that good either however other manufacturers invested heavily to improve the brand unlike BL.
3. All the miners that bought their own houses, pardon "did I read that right" so what wrong with a miner owning his own home then
suppose working underground he be more at home in a cave, even Maggie wasn't that hard!!!
4. what some of the pitts had very little life left in them anyway. sorry seth that is the understatment of the milenium,
under our feet here in yorkshire is millions of tons of coal, but we have only 3 working pits or is it 2, now yet we still use coal in power stations only now we get it from Russia along with our Gas. can you honestly say that privatised industries and utilities run better at less cost to the consumer than the alternative.now most of them are foreign owned,
and lastly before I go, on a personal note had it not been for the events of the past, and joining the ranks of the 3million unemployed I would have been able to retire 10years ago on full a pension, and spent years of lesuire time in my van, instead of still been working at 64 and only able to have the van out 3 weeks a year
thank you Margaret and farewell RIP.
JonnyG said:
As you seem to be a font of knowledge on South Africa, can I ask how long you lived and worked in SA? Yes, things are a lot worse now for Black, Asian and Europeans in South Africa. Anyway the thread is about a great leader who put Britain's name back on the map and may most of the population proud to be British!
Im not even going to get started on this.Small business,s like my own getting abused on 40% tax to pay for people to sit at home at the age of 50.Talk about BL how many people did the management put on the dole without talking about strike action.
1,Scammell 800 staff
2,AEC 4000 staff
3,Albion 1500 staff
4,Rover 2000 staff
5,Triumph 2000 staff
And the list goes on,destroy the commercial sector to prop up a failing car devision managed by plebs.Then take a look at your trade union,Your man at Cowley has just been spoken to whilst on a dinner break.Lost approx one minute of his dinner break.So thats it were on strike and so are the other factorys.Its ok the tax payer will fund it
Yeah it was grim for some,as grim as today though?I wounder if Blair and brown will get the same send off.
1,Scammell 800 staff
2,AEC 4000 staff
3,Albion 1500 staff
4,Rover 2000 staff
5,Triumph 2000 staff
And the list goes on,destroy the commercial sector to prop up a failing car devision managed by plebs.Then take a look at your trade union,Your man at Cowley has just been spoken to whilst on a dinner break.Lost approx one minute of his dinner break.So thats it were on strike and so are the other factorys.Its ok the tax payer will fund it
Yeah it was grim for some,as grim as today though?I wounder if Blair and brown will get the same send off.
yes you are right this thread is about Maggie,how long i lived in south Africa and what my contact/friends are is of no relevence.but indeed i lived there for a short while i know you did,but i didnt carry arms and its laughable to think the majority would welcome back Arparthied!!!!which is kinda what you are saying with the "things are a lot worse"Surfer said:
I might have guessed which way this topic would go, it was only a matter of time.
All of the main protagonists seem to have added their two penn'orth so we'll leave it at that as far as this forum is concerned.
All of the main protagonists seem to have added their two penn'orth so we'll leave it at that as far as this forum is concerned.
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