Massive road tax increase for all big cars registered after 2...

[David_from_Ashby]

Makes me glad I opted for the new Honda CR-V diesel instead of something bigger and more polluting.

Still not happy about the rises though, just not as unhappy as some!

David

 

[Chris_374224489]

The other double whammie of this will be the value of bigger cars registered after 2001. It will not change the value of your Porsche/ Rolls Royce much but nobody will now want a bigger ordinary second hand car/ 4 wheel drive at anything other than a real give away price.

Petrol 2 litre+ & diesel 2.5 litre+ cars registered 1991-1997 have just become worth much much less. This is OK if you are a buyer but a lot of caravanners are sitting on cars of this type of vehicle & are going to take the hit.

Chris

PS I know not all 2/2.5 litre cars cars are in the higher bands but you get the point.

 

[Royston]

Many Many Many years ago when fuel was very very very cheap, If my memoury is correct the then labour goverment introduced car road tax based upon the engine size of the car so the working class with their smaller cars payed less than the larger cars nearally all owned by the people who favoured consevatism.

When the tories swept back into power, they made all the road car tax the same.

When oh when will the labour goverment disappear into a black hole, and bring back sanity into our beloved land..

 

[Mike_5041144]

Many Many Many years ago when fuel was very very very cheap, If my memoury is correct the then labour goverment introduced car road tax based upon the engine size of the car so the working class with their smaller cars payed less than the larger cars nearally all owned by the people who favoured consevatism.

When the tories swept back into power, they made all the road car tax the same.

When oh when will the labour goverment disappear into a black hole, and bring back sanity into our beloved land..

Thanks Glenn for that link.

Mikey I disagree with you on worst hit. I think 226-255 are worst hit - my current road tax rate

 

[Colinn]

Well, they won't get much more out of me. I have a 4 x 4 (for towing, now sadly in the

 

[Alex_374296729]

One way around this, if you want a 4x4 is to buy a double cab pick up. They are a commercial vehicle. My brother has a Nissan Navara, it's a bit of a tank but I think he only pays

 

[Dave_374330759]

the obvious answer to all this is to buy an old 4x4 banger and keep it going forever with transplants etc until the MOT emissions tests gets you.

Seriously though, I would argue that unless you live on a farm or up a mountain, you dont really need a 4X4 anyway. If you do, you dont need a 4 litre one either unless you are carting stuff across fields. For the caravanning brigade something like a CR-V or X-Trail or even some decent sized MPVs now come with reasonable fuel consumption and lowish C02 emissions. I've got a C-Max which happily tows up to 1500kg and my brother owns an S-Max which will manage 1700kg both cars are in the less than 169gm/km category.

Its not just 4x4s that are being targeted (although they use more fuel and have higher emissions because they are heavier and the transmissions are less efficient) it also includes big engined thirsty cars as well. .

I don't agree with the taxes but I also fed up with all the moaning that they are targeting big cars either - most people don't need a big one, they just choose to drive one. No one really needs a car of over 2 to 2.5 litres, so if you've got a big one in a lowish tax band, keep it forever and only buy a 1.2 litre roller skate to keep the chancellor happy.

On the subject of ever increasing and unfair tax increases I haven't yet heard of much sympathy for the poor boating community who are facing a potential doubling in the cost of red diesel. Again, if you've got a big engine and want to roar up and down rivers or the sea then that's tough, don't complain, get a smaller engine and then you'll use less fuel.

It's the bloke who lives on a narrow boat who needs it for heating and propulsion that I feel sorry for coz it's his home that being targeted - that could really get me on my soap box.....

 

[rayc]

In the short to medium term there will be bargains to be gained in buying low mileage 2 - 3 year old vehicles in the high tax bands. The lower prices will more than offset the annual rise in tax.

With regards to the new first year tax of

 

[emmitdb]

My Jag is in band F until next year! Then it goes into band L & it's

 

[emmitdb]

Greetings All,

Can I firm up on one of the points that has been raised on this thread.

I intend to keep my A6 Avant 2.5TDi forever so I am interested in minimising my liability to paying any extra tax.

When do the new figures take effect.

Sorry if I may seem pedantic but EXACTLY when is it.

 

[rayc]

Del, the chnges take effect from 13th March 2008 for tax year 2008/2009. There are as you may know 7 bands A - G with band A =

 

[Icemaker]

I know its a bad thing and we are having the freedom of choice removed from us, quite what the chancellor things we as a small country can do to help the global polution problem when you have the likes of china and america increasing polution outputs ten fold each year is beyond me but we have to live with the desicions of the people we voted in so i suppose its our own fault.

one thing you can all do is what i did, when i started vanning i bought a coachman pastiche 520/4 and was adviced that due to the weight i would need a 4x4 to be safe, we bought a discovery and towed with it for 18 month. as a tow car it was great, as a commuting car it was horendous so i strted to look at alternatives, that was when i realised that i didnt need a 4x4 at all infact i found many many cars that where just as capable and far cheaper to own than a 4x4.

we ended up buying a galaxy and then an alhambra tdi, the alhambra towed a coachman vip 520/4 then a coachman laser 590/4 twin axle (a very heavy van) then a ace celebration 590 twin axle and finally a vip 530/4, all the vans including the laser where within the cars limits and all where towed with ease and far more stability than the discovery ever had and best of all even with the laser on the back the car still returned mid 30's to the gallon.

we now tow the vip 530/4 with a 2.0 tdci Smax, the car is currently doing 40.1 to the gallon on the commute and on a recent tow it showed 36 mpg on the motorway, its kerbweight is 1780 kgs so it can tow most vans (obviousley not all)and reading the new tax list it will still only be

 

[Stephen_374341239]

Hi

I drive a citroen picasso 1.6 first reg 21/01/2006 petrol. exhaust emissions co 0.382 hc 0.046 no 0.0016. 0 to 60mph in about half an hour with a following wind and the wife pushing.

What will my tax go up too.

 

[KeithJ]

Del - to answer your question:

This year's changes have already taken place

2009 and 2010 changes will take place when a budget is called in those years. Ie. the Chancellor will decide at the time. This year the budget was 13 March. Future budgets maybe around the same time in March....but nobody knows yet.

....so if your tax runs out on 31 March you can't assume you can renew it a few days before and avoid an increase on 1 April as it may have already taken place.

This info is correct - I have checked it with DVLA Swansea for my own purposes.

Hope this helps you decide what is best for you

Keith

 

[jaybee]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/UNFAIR-VED/
sign up here if you think it's unfair, it may help.

One things for sure the extra money collected won't help the environment one bit.

 

[Thorpedo]

Oh Jabee I'm sure your wrong, the extra fines (rd tax) collected will surely enable our esteemed honourable members of parliment to consult the 'john lewis list' and replace the dishwasher, washing machine, fridge, freezer, cooker and probably the heating system in their second homes with the latest and brightest energy saving models, thus saving the planet.

Honestly Jaybee how could you be so sceptical.

 

[michael_5111967]

BBC webpage explains new VED groups & shows present against new 2009 tax classes. Am I reading wrong or am i better off having an old car registered before 2001, I thought our Government were urging people to buy newer cars to help the environment??? Is this the same ploy like they done with derv & petrol, I.e. a few years ago derv was cheaper per Litre than petrol now lots of people have gone diesel because we were told it was greener the price has steadily overtaken unleaded,what a con!!! anyway heres the link to the BBC page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

 

[jaybee]

BBC webpage explains new VED groups & shows present against new 2009 tax classes. Am I reading wrong or am i better off having an old car registered before 2001, I thought our Government were urging people to buy newer cars to help the environment??? Is this the same ploy like they done with derv & petrol, I.e. a few years ago derv was cheaper per Litre than petrol now lots of people have gone diesel because we were told it was greener the price has steadily overtaken unleaded,what a con!!! anyway heres the link to the BBC page.

]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm[/quote
Yep your right, drive a vehicle registered before 2001 and your ved is not hiked up.

But they could easily move the goal posts again and rob a few more of us.

A peaceful protest I think is in order.

Obviously it doesn't effect everyone, some will be better off.

Over on another forum a posters wife is doing a huge mileage a week in a clio diesel at 60mpg and will pay between