Need advice on gas cooker

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Hi All
I have purchased a elddis tornado 1991 4 berth.
I have no instructions about the gas cooker or the gas heater.
The hobs and grill are working fine, but I cant seem to get the cooker and heater working. There doesn't seem to be any gas coming through on these?

Also, on the fridge there is a dial which has a flame symbol, and a igniter. I am guessing this is for the oven?

The caravan has 12v and 240v hook up.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
This is my first caravan...
 
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WoodlandsCamper said:
panda32 said:
Also, on the fridge there is a dial which has a flame symbol, and a igniter. I am guessing this is for the oven?

????????? Why should a dial/ignitor on the fridge operate the oven?

Yeah, I have just worked it out that its for the fridge. I thought the fridge would be 12v and 240v. :oops:
 
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Surely a panda knows the difference from a fridge to the oven :eek:hmy:
Okay.
The flame mark on the fridge is the setting you will use to run the fridge on gas rather than 230 or 12 volts.
It is possible someone at the Elddis Owners club maybe able to supply you with an owners handbook.
Have you checked the isolation valves are turned on to supply the oven and heater?
In all seriousness it is possible a previous owner knew there was a problem and isolated the items.
May I suggest for your own safety and peace of mind you employ a qualified approved caravan engineer to fully service your Elddis. He will also show you how to safely operate all the items. Good luck.
 
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Thanks dustydog.

My dad is corgi registered so I am waiting on him really. I am not to sure on the supply, I don't know if they are turned on or off.

I am also not sure on how to ignite the gas heater, from a bit of research it looks like you have to hold down a knob and then wait for the gas to come through.

Think I will wait for my dad..... He used to own a caravan
 
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panda32 said:
Yeah, I have just worked it out that its for the fridge. I thought the fridge would be 12v and 240v. :oops:

Note that the fridge will only run from 12 v whilst being towed by a car. Even then the power taken by the fridge is only enough to keep it cool (if already pre-cooled), it will not reduce the interior of the fridge from room temperature.
 
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panda32 said:
Thanks dustydog.

My dad is corgi registered so I am waiting on him really. I am not to sure on the supply, I don't know if they are turned on or off.

I am also not sure on how to ignite the gas heater, from a bit of research it looks like you have to hold down a knob and then wait for the gas to come through.

Think I will wait for my dad..... He used to own a caravan

Hello Panda,
If your relative is CORGI registered I'm afraid he is not allowed to work on any current gas appliance. CORGI registration expired many years ago. He would have to be GAS SAFE registered, and have the appropriate LPG ticket to work on you caravan.
 
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ProfJohnL said:
panda32 said:
Thanks dustydog.

My dad is corgi registered so I am waiting on him really. I am not to sure on the supply, I don't know if they are turned on or off.

I am also not sure on how to ignite the gas heater, from a bit of research it looks like you have to hold down a knob and then wait for the gas to come through.

Think I will wait for my dad..... He used to own a caravan

Hello Panda,
If your relative is CORGI registered I'm afraid he is not allowed to work on any current gas appliance. CORGI registration expired many years ago. He would have to be GAS SAFE registered, and have the appropriate LPG ticket to work on you caravan.

Does Gas Safe only apply to commercial enterprises undertaking paid work, not hobbyists fixing their problems.

The OP refers to the original attempt to legislate aka Corgi and as with rebranding the original name sticks in peoples minds, or those that are able to see beyond a name. The original Corgi scheme failed to prevent accidents and incidents and actually drove safety down through increasing costs of certification that on first recertification saw reduced uptake and non certified irks undertaking connections other than at the incoming supply in the knowledge that the certificate holder was responsible. :p

If you are competent today, your ticket expires tonight, are you incompetent tomorrow? ;)

As usual with elf and safe tea legislation and the proponents thereof, it does not prevent accidents, only gives a framework to prosecute and punish when something happens and is discovered. As can be seen this past week, the worst offending organisation in the UK for elf and safe tea has set aside £25m to cover fines for historic cases of breaches, including fatalities. Their fines total over £100m for the first decade of this century alone. Their Directors took >£30m in bonuses under 'Zero Tolerance' in the same period and are no longer measured on safety KPI's. I would question if the elf and safe tea regime is actually working and delivering :p
 

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Quote " Does Gas Safe only apply to commercial enterprises undertaking paid work, not hobbyists fixing their problems."

The owner of the van can carry out gas work providing the van is only used by them, however, they must adhere to the regulations relating to gas installation and use and H&S regulations.
Anyone else working on their van on their behalf MUST be Gas Safe LPG qualified.

A lot of people don't like H&S or Gas Safe, thinking that they know best, but the regulations have saved many lives and put a lot of so called "experts" out of business and in prison for their unsafe practices.
 
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I take it the oven and hob are a one piece unit and if so it cannot be the isolation valve. My guess would be a blocked jet but it needs checking.
If you can give more details of the heater someone should be able to confirm how it works. Turning it on and pressing in should do it but it may have another system. Generally if you here it clicking it it is trying to light the gas but if not then it is probably the ignition device. If you here it clicking you need to find the valve and see if it is turned off. I would say from memory it should be on the floor under the kitchen unit. It will have a picture of a parafin type heater on it to identify it.
 
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My son is a fully qualified Gas Safe engineer. The certificate of competence is in his name not the firm he works for If something did go wrong through his error it will be him who loses his Cert and thus his job.
I agree Ray. The oven has a fail safe device which has probably failed.
 
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Hello KeefySher.

I have previously challenged your very dismissive responses to complying with the law in this area of activity.

Clearly you have a very negative opinion about such matters for reason you have already explained, but the law is there and regardless of how you may feel about it, as responsible people we should be advising and encouraging readers to abide by the law.
This is not just to keep people legal, but despite your misgivings, the system of registration will have ensured the correct procedures and tests of the vast majority of works undertaken.

We should not be encouraging readers to be disobedient by suggesting rash or unsafe practices, especially as this area of regulation falls under Criminal Law with significant fines and possible custodial sentences.

Gas Safe has been the scheme name now for nearly 8 years, and anyone who has a close relative or is themselves involved with gas works should be familiar enough to know about the difference and would be likely to quote it correctly especially when writing about it.

No system of registration is perfect, there will always be some activities either unintentional and misguided or deliberate actions that fall foul of the regulations, but the fact is our gas safety record in the UK is well respected world wide.

You are clearly an educated person, and you know full well that your comment about the expiree of a Gas Safe ticket does not mean the holder becomes incompetent at midnight. It simply ,means they are not authorised to carry out works, because their licence has expired.

In respect of a private touring caravan or self propelled motor home for the owners use only, the law has made a special dispensation in the Gas Safety Installation and Use Regulations, where the Owner (and therefore no one else) is permitted to work on the gas installation in their touring caravan with no formal evidence of competence. However and as Damain has stated, the work they do must conform to the accepted codes of conduct and safety.

The important corollary of this is that if the caravan is being used by anyone else other than the owner (technically even the owners family) or the caravan is owned by an organisation or business, or it is being used for hire or reward, or it is being used as part of a permanent dwelling or accommodation, then the dispensation in the GSIAUR does not apply because its not just for the owners personal use.

Equally any person other than the owner of the caravan must be fully qualified and regulated before they work on the gas system. Even members of owners family. Asking a family member do to a job is still a contract and even if no money changes hands it make the person a contractor.

Just as much as you detest the references to Health and Safety etc, I detest the crazy dispensation that has allowed a few owners to bodge gas installations, with very serious consequences. I'm not advocating this position for "jobs for the boys", but because in my working life I have had to deal with some of the consequences of these incompetent actions.

I am totally convinced that the principal behinds Health & Safety are there to protect all persons from hazards, and our world would be a much more dangerous place if there was no regard for Health and Safety.
 

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