My friend has just perchased a new Swift with a mtplm of 1496kg. He has a Nissan Qashqai 2.0. The dealer told him this was a good match but I thought the manafacters recommended towing limit, which in this case is 1400kg, was law. I have told him he will be towing illegally but he thinks the dealer is correct. Any views?
Nissan Qashqai weight
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Robert. Good point but to keep to 1400kg he could only have a payload of 120kg and there is four of them. Not much margin for error. I have mentioned this to him but my point is the dealer should have told him this.
hi,
looked at the qashqai myself,but the Qashqai 2.0d A/T 4X4 LE only has a maximum towing figure of 1350 which by law you have to adhere to,its not a recommended figure.kerbweight is min/max kg 1614/1685.i'm afraid he has been wrongly advised.
looked at the qashqai myself,but the Qashqai 2.0d A/T 4X4 LE only has a maximum towing figure of 1350 which by law you have to adhere to,its not a recommended figure.kerbweight is min/max kg 1614/1685.i'm afraid he has been wrongly advised.
Plain and simple.
This dealer wants gelding.
Should be named and shamed to stitch someone up like that.
(don't normally indulge in 'exotic' language!!!)
This dealer wants gelding.
Should be named and shamed to stitch someone up like that.
(don't normally indulge in 'exotic' language!!!)
When the Quashquai came out, I went to the NEC show and to the Nissan stand. There was not one on display, so I asked why not. They said 'It was not designed to be a caravan tow car'.
At the time I was very disappointed as it seemed the ideal vehicle. I bought a Sportage and have not been disapointed.
However, it does show how thinking changes when some manufacturers considers marketing opportunities and thus salemen.
At the time I was very disappointed as it seemed the ideal vehicle. I bought a Sportage and have not been disapointed.
However, it does show how thinking changes when some manufacturers considers marketing opportunities and thus salemen.
Having just joined the forum I am intrigued to the question of MTPLM. I too have a 2ltr diesel Qashqai and intend to tow with it. We know the towing limit is 1400kg as it states in the handbook, so assuming this is 85%, this means the weight of the car is about 1650kg. As Andy says, his friend was quoted a weight of 1492kg which would make that about 92% of the weight of the car, however in this months mag under Caravan basics it says that "your car and van are an acceptable match if the weight of the van is between 86% and 100%. This is for experienced drivers, so what is the actual law on towing, either its 85% for all or anything up to 100%.
Any thoughts would be most welcome.
Any thoughts would be most welcome.
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No, the there is no direct connection between kerbweight and towing limit. The towing limit is determined by the car manufacturer by carrying out physical tests according to set procedures, which include, but are not necessary limited to, the provisions of the EU Directive relating to towbar equipment. It is totally independent of the car's kerbweight, which may be higher or in some cases even lower than the towing limit.KEJA said:
The law is the manufacturer's towing limit, not 85% (which is only a recommendation by various sources) nor 100% (which only applies to driving licence entitlement with a Category B licence, but not to actual legal technical towing limits).KEJA said:
Note also that the towing limit is not the MTPLM of the caravan, but only its axle load, i.e. the MTPLM minus the noseweight, which is not 'towed' but 'carried' by the towcar.
Thnak you for the response and now I'm fully up to date, although in my case the max tow is 1400kg so I shall be looking for a van up to that weight although it will also have to include a motor mover as well.
Thnak you for the response and now I'm fully up to date, although in my case the max tow is 1400kg so I shall be looking for a van up to that weight although it will also have to include a motor mover as well.
Ihad a look at the nissanbut it was not a good tow car for me and quiet supprised at its poor tow abilaty whent for the tucson.
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Hello Andy,
Sad to say this is another example of people not taking their time to find out about towing limits before making a purchase, However, I think your friend may have a case under the sale of Goods act, because the caravan is not fit for purpose, i.e for towing behind the Nissan Quaqsqia (or however its spelt!).
The fact that your friend asked the dealer if the specific caravan was suitable for towing behind his specific car makes the match part of the contract of sale- even though it may have just been a verbal exchange. There is also something about customers also have reasonable grounds to assume that a dealer will have "a higher level of knowledge on matter surrounding the products they sell.
A dealer should not make statements on matters they do not have competent knowledge of and if they don't know they should say so or advice the customer to get help from elsewhere.
The fact that in its fully laden configuration the caravan exceeds the cars towing limit, the dealer is in my view in breech of contract for suggesting the caravan is a suitable match to the car.
I suggest your friend contacts trading standards, consumer direct or their solicitor for more detailed professional advice.
Sad to say this is another example of people not taking their time to find out about towing limits before making a purchase, However, I think your friend may have a case under the sale of Goods act, because the caravan is not fit for purpose, i.e for towing behind the Nissan Quaqsqia (or however its spelt!).
The fact that your friend asked the dealer if the specific caravan was suitable for towing behind his specific car makes the match part of the contract of sale- even though it may have just been a verbal exchange. There is also something about customers also have reasonable grounds to assume that a dealer will have "a higher level of knowledge on matter surrounding the products they sell.
A dealer should not make statements on matters they do not have competent knowledge of and if they don't know they should say so or advice the customer to get help from elsewhere.
The fact that in its fully laden configuration the caravan exceeds the cars towing limit, the dealer is in my view in breech of contract for suggesting the caravan is a suitable match to the car.
I suggest your friend contacts trading standards, consumer direct or their solicitor for more detailed professional advice.
One way out of the problem is to up the vehicle weight by storing all the heavy gear in the car, thus getting nearer the 85% rule.
I was going to buy a Qashqai+2, and so I had a word with a neighbours son who is a Nissan mechanicand had a similar response,he said there were suspension issues , advised the X-Trail instead but I don't like the look of that.
Lutz said:
Not quite correct Lutz, in the eyes of the law the static weight of the caravan (ie unhitched) is the trailed weight they will base there calculations upon.
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The law states quite categorically that the trailed weight is the axle load, not the gross static weight of the caravan. (We've gone through this in another thread).cookieones said:
If in the eyes of the law the static weight is the trailed weight then then law is blind to its own wording.
Lutz said:
Your interpretation of it and I still say you are wrong. If the car is limited to towing a trailer weighing 1400kg and you are stopped by VOSA or the police and that trailer weighs in at more than 1400kgs you will get a penalty charge and points on your licence! Please stop advising people incorrectly.
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But the car is NOT limited to a trailer weighing 1400kg! The car is limited to a towload of 1400kg and only the load on the axle of the caravan is being towed. The noseweight is part of the GVW of the car.
As the noseweight is considered as part of the GVW, one would be counting the noseweight twice in the gross train weight if one were to use the MTPLM figure instead of the axle load and then adding the MTPLM to the GVW to calculate the gross train weight.
Please stop accusing me of advising incorrectly.
As the noseweight is considered as part of the GVW, one would be counting the noseweight twice in the gross train weight if one were to use the MTPLM figure instead of the axle load and then adding the MTPLM to the GVW to calculate the gross train weight.
Please stop accusing me of advising incorrectly.
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