Nissan X trail weight???

[Mikey_74]

I still haven't found a santa fe or sorento that is close to my budget reasonable mileage or isn't the other end of the country, that then got me thinking about an xtrail, I've looked on auto trader website and according to that they're only 1515kg's surely they're heavier than that???

 

[WatsonJohnG]

This comes up a lot and people have weighbridged X Trails at about 1700 kg

Nissan give 1525 to 1650kg in the brochure for the earlier model 2.2 diesel

I have owned 3 original XTs and 1 new shape and towed caravans of 1500 kg max with no problem stability or performance wise

What you have to be aware of is the Nissan tow figure for the original shape is 2000kg for the diesel with 100kg nose weight but the auto is 1350kg and 75 kg nose weght

Although you wouldn't go to that max weight you could exceed Nissan's limit for the auto if following the 80% guide

 

[Lutz]

My data tells me that it could be anything in the range 1455 to 1615kg, depending on equipment.

 

[dougie201]

Hi Mike

Sorry but that is the weight! 2.2 weighs in at around 1520kg giving a 85% tow of 1292kg. I looked at them when i changed towcar. Eventually got a jeep with a kerbweight of 1685kg.

Dougie....

 

[xtrailman]

I had a 2004 SVE, weight was 1650kg

 

[xtrailman]

Beware some are 2 wheel drive, probably where the 1550kg comes from?

 

[Mikey_74]

Thanks for your replies, the reason why I'm asking is our van laden is 1600kg's, with my current car it's already around a 95% match, although it tows very well and the 85% rule is an outdated guide my match is far from ideal, I like the X trail and my wife loves the ones with a glass roof, but no way do I want a car caravan heavier than the towcar, it looks like I'm going to have to wait patiently and get either a Santa Fe or Sorento, my maximum budget is

 

[jacky3]

hi

ive got a 2008 173 aventura 2.0....kerbweight 1670kgs

 

[WatsonJohnG]

Beware some are 2 wheel drive, probably where the 1550kg comes from?

Hi Ray

My old brochure gives 2WD as 1380-1455Kg !!

 

[WatsonJohnG]

hi

ive got a 2008 173 aventura 2.0....kerbweight 1670kgs

Is that the Nissan weight or weighbridge?

 

[xtrailman]

The kerb weights i have quoted are from the brochure for that year, i have never weighed a car.

I assume my 2009 xtrail aventura explorer weighs 1720kg, again from the 2009 brochure.

But add to that the 40kg towbar, and the weight could be even more, less? i doubt it.

Very surprised to see any old type xtrail in the 1500 range.

 

[jacky3]

Is that the Nissan weight or weighbridge?

nissan weight according to the brochure i got prior to buying it

 

[jacky3]

The kerb weights i have quoted are from the brochure for that year, i have never weighed a car.

I assume my 2009 xtrail aventura explorer weighs 1720kg, again from the 2009 brochure.

But add to that the 40kg towbar, and the weight could be even more, less? i doubt it.

Very surprised to see any old type xtrail in the 1500 range.

hi.

towbars do not count as a manufactures stated accessory.......only these alone can contribute to kerbweight

 

[xtrailman]

Klarky

i take you word on it, however nissan do offer a tow bar?

But i would expect a weigh bridge, would show ALL the weights to be greater rather than less, didn't someone weigh a old model at 1700kg?

 

[Lutz]

Klarky, ANY permanent fitment of an accessory such as the towbar is treated as a technical modification of the vehicle and will therefore raise the kerbweight. In fact, one could apply for the V5c certificate to be revised to reflect such a change. Kerbweight is not purely an invariable ex-works figure, but can be changed at any time. Only changes to the gross vehicle weight require approval from the manufacturer, but if he agrees, these, too, can (in fact, in this case, must) be entered into the V5c.

 

[jacky3]

Klarky, ANY permanent fitment of an accessory such as the towbar is treated as a technical modification of the vehicle and will therefore raise the kerbweight. In fact, one could apply for the V5c certificate to be revised to reflect such a change. Kerbweight is not purely an invariable ex-works figure, but can be changed at any time. Only changes to the gross vehicle weight require approval from the manufacturer, but if he agrees, these, too, can (in fact, in this case, must) be entered into the V5c.

hi

you always get a manufactures kerbweight, where STATED accessories can be fitted,as between 2 figures ie 1600 kgs---1670 kgs.... the 1600kgs been the figure WITHOUT 'ALL' THE ACCESSORIES fitted and 1670kgs if 'ALL THE ACCESSORIES have been fitted....tow bars can come as factory fitted,but at 'NO' TIME ARE THEY CALCULATED by the manufacture to be included in the final possible kerbweight figure...AND THAT IS FACT.

 

[Lutz]

Kerbweight is specific to each and every car. It can vary and that is why some manufacturers (correctly) quote a range, from/to. However, kerbweight is not chiseled in stone by the manufacturer, but can be changed by technical modifications to the vehicle at a later date. For example, take a van which is subsequently converted into a motor home. The kerbweight very definitely changes due to the fitment of furnishings.

 

[MikeyW]

I have a 2005 (54 plate) X-trail 2.2 DCi T-spec, I put it on a weighbridge with 3/4 tank of fuel and I stayed sitting in the drivers seat, the weight was 1720kg, the listed kerbweight is 1520kg. My caravan weighs 1500kg (MTPLM) and I have no trouble towing, in fact I'm very happy with it.

Hope this is of use.

Mike

 

[jacky3]

hi,

no.dont try and get away from the fact...'Klarky, ANY permanent fitment of an accessory such as the towbar is treated as a technical modification of the vehicle and will therefore raise the kerbweight.' technically a modification...yes it is.....will raise the kerbweight officially...sorry 'NO'

ALLOY WHEELS ARE TECHNICALLY A MODIFICATION.....will they raise the kerbweight officially....no.you are technically telling people if they fit something extra on there car then that raises the kerbweight(leading people to the fact they can now tow something heavier than they could before)very misleading

 

[Lutz]

Why do you say it is misleading? What stops you from applying for a change to your V5c in order to have a technical change documented? Obviously, for the sake of a couple of kilos due to fitment of alloy wheels it's hardly going to be worthwhile because of the administrative costs, but in principle there is no reason why the ex-works figure should not be revised to reflect actual conditions.

 

[jacky3]

'will therefore raise the kerbweight.'

is that not misleading......

'In fact, one could apply for the V5c certificate to be revised to reflect such a change'

emphasis on the word 'could apply' implying that its not nescessary to do this.

lets just agree to disagree with your statement

 

[xtrailman]

Not whishing to join in this private set too, but i find it difficult to accept that standard fit alloy wheels are technically a modification?

Weights are variable, on brochures you often see in small print, "weights shown can change with out notice, and may vary +/-3%.

Which is why i say the 85% guide is a sensible "rule" not the out dated guide that many claim.

If you tow near what you consider to be 100%, but legal, you could quite easily find your self towing illegally, or over 100%.

Which is why i always maintain you should use a appropriate weigh bridge, if towing to the limits, not worth it in my opinion.

Stick to 85%, and you have a margin for error.

 

[Lutz]

Not whishing to join in this private set too, but i find it difficult to accept that standard fit alloy wheels are technically a modification?

Weights are variable, on brochures you often see in small print, "weights shown can change with out notice, and may vary +/-3%.

Which is why i say the 85% guide is a sensible "rule" not the out dated guide that many claim.

If you tow near what you consider to be 100%, but legal, you could quite easily find your self towing illegally, or over 100%.

Which is why i always maintain you should use a appropriate weigh bridge, if towing to the limits, not worth it in my opinion.

Stick to 85%, and you have a margin for error.

Klarky, if you don't have the certificate revised, obviously the ex-works kerbweight will continue to apply and all accessories and later fitments will come out of the payload. Usually it will not be worth the effort to have technical changes documented, but on the other hand, if you were to purchase a van and later convert it into a motor home, the difference will be substantial enough to warrant going through the process.

You are partially correct, Ray. Retrofitting of alloy wheels is a technical modification, but cannot be classed as a permanent one as it is very easy to convert back to the original wheels. Theoretically, one could have the kerbweight revised to reflect alloy wheels, but then there would have to be a note in the V5c that the vehicle must only be fitted with such wheels. I find it difficult to imagine that the powers-that-be would accept such an amendment. Therefore, changes to the vehicle weight in this case will normally come out of the payload, as mentioned above.

 

[Lutz]

Klarky, if you don't have the certificate revised, obviously the ex-works kerbweight will continue to apply and all accessories and later fitments will come out of the payload. Usually it will not be worth the effort to have technical changes documented, but on the other hand, if you were to purchase a van and later convert it into a motor home, the difference will be substantial enough to warrant going through the process.

You are partially correct, Ray. Retrofitting of alloy wheels is a technical modification, but cannot be classed as a permanent one as it is very easy to convert back to the original wheels. Theoretically, one could have the kerbweight revised to reflect alloy wheels, but then there would have to be a note in the V5c that the vehicle must only be fitted with such wheels. I find it difficult to imagine that the powers-that-be would accept such an amendment. Therefore, changes to the vehicle weight in this case will normally come out of the payload, as mentioned above.

 

[xtrailman]

Lutz

I said the wheels were standard fit alloys, how can you fit steel, with out that being a mod, confused.