Not quite what I mean't.Wasn't condoning damage to caravans by any means I was just stating why kids need to play.
Ahhhh I understand what you mean Jonathan and I think we would all agree with you. After all we were all kids at one time and most have reared their own and are now on grandchildren, like ourselves.
What must take precedence over "need" though is "respect" and that is to respect others and others property. Until a child learns to respect they will never learn to have respect for themselves :O)
What must take precedence over "need" though is "respect" and that is to respect others and others property. Until a child learns to respect they will never learn to have respect for themselves :O)
Couldn't agree more...I've been caravanning as a kid and adult since 1955 (Mum and Dad started in '53) My 3 brothers and I were always encouraged to play but not at the expense of other peoples enjoyment, property and privacy. We were brought up to respect others. Sadly that doesn't seem to be so important nowadays.
Lord B
Mods deleted my earlier post yesterday because I accused your adversory of taking "pills".
My point is that my two kids were taught to respect other peoples property as indeed was I as a youth. We all had loads of fun and hence are caravan lifers.
Apart from the possible damage to my caravan I don't want a tennis ball hitting me in the eye or even worse a hard cricket ball. Maybe Sharia Law might be suggested to quell this irritation, BUT not by me I should add.
Cheers
Alan
Mods deleted my earlier post yesterday because I accused your adversory of taking "pills".
My point is that my two kids were taught to respect other peoples property as indeed was I as a youth. We all had loads of fun and hence are caravan lifers.
Apart from the possible damage to my caravan I don't want a tennis ball hitting me in the eye or even worse a hard cricket ball. Maybe Sharia Law might be suggested to quell this irritation, BUT not by me I should add.
Cheers
Alan
Thanks alan, I did see your post. Hehheh! I see what you mean about Sharia law. I don't believe in it because it subjugates females but as times go by the punishment for the likes of the thieves at Clumber is looking better everyday ;O)
Correct Stephen. Learn a child to "respect" the rules and you are halfway there to getting them to respect all others including themselves which eventually will lead to a more peaceful, crime free existence for us all :O)
Jonathan wrote: - the good thing about caravan sites is that children can be left to their own devices and in a safe environment. It gives them independance and developes social skills.
Or put it another way. - the good thing about caravan sites is that once we have set up the awning, we get out the beers and just forget what our childen might be doing whilst they develop their independance and hone their social skills around that we known magnet called 'A Toilet Block'.
Yes, it's okay if they play ball games around other peoples caravans, just as long as what they do doesn't effect us. Why, because 'We are on holiday'!
Or put it another way. - the good thing about caravan sites is that once we have set up the awning, we get out the beers and just forget what our childen might be doing whilst they develop their independance and hone their social skills around that we known magnet called 'A Toilet Block'.
Yes, it's okay if they play ball games around other peoples caravans, just as long as what they do doesn't effect us. Why, because 'We are on holiday'!
Of course you are entitled to an opinion Jonathan but so are we. Is there any lies in the posts above by myself, Bigfoot, Stephen, alan, Meister, Hamer, Shiba, RogerL, Ann or Mal?
You made your post after disagreeing and putting over your view after we had posted. All we were doing was responding :O)
Just a debate, there wasn't any intended nastiness on our part.
You made your post after disagreeing and putting over your view after we had posted. All we were doing was responding :O)
Just a debate, there wasn't any intended nastiness on our part.
I am a single parent, I can already here the comments on that one starting! However I have a 14 year old son who is very active and I admit does go off and do his own thing when we are away and my dog can whine until she settles. There is nothing I can do about the dog as this was caused by incidents in her previous ownership way before she went into the RSPCA and came to me. My son knows right and wrong but, and I may be reading the above topics wrong and apologies if I am, it seems that I should have him with me all the time to enjoy "quality time", I can assure you that there is no way on earth that I could occupy him enough for him to stay by my side, and to perfectly honest I do not think it is natural for a boy for a boy of that age to stay by my side and not go of and make new friends.
I don't agree with people playing ball games around caravans whether they are adults or children.
We have been caravanning for about five years now. Our daughter is nearly 16.
One of the reasons we liked caravanning particularly when the child was younger was that she could have a little freedom - clarification, she could go and play with any new friends she had met. The rules of good conduct and manners were always stipulated to her.
I take exception to anyone who tars all parents who make that statement by saying basically, we get drunk and leave the children to their own devices without worrying about what they are doing and who they are doing it with.
There are some people who do that, I've seem them myself but not all of us do.
Lisa
We have been caravanning for about five years now. Our daughter is nearly 16.
One of the reasons we liked caravanning particularly when the child was younger was that she could have a little freedom - clarification, she could go and play with any new friends she had met. The rules of good conduct and manners were always stipulated to her.
I take exception to anyone who tars all parents who make that statement by saying basically, we get drunk and leave the children to their own devices without worrying about what they are doing and who they are doing it with.
There are some people who do that, I've seem them myself but not all of us do.
Lisa
Debbi it's nothing to do with your son going off and doing his own thing or meeting others of a similar age.
It's all pretty simple, kids shouldn't play football, ride bikes, fly kites around other peoples caravans.
There is nothing wrong with the sound of children playing and if that upsets some people, tough, they need to get a life and stop being so bloody miserable.
Very young kids riding bikes on site without supervision does worry me, especially after the sad York incident.
While driving along the roadway at Low Park Wood, Kendal I was confronted by a boy about 6 wobbling all over the place heading straight for me. By then I'd stopped and he just managed to swerve up onto the grass and he never attempted to use his brakes, thats if he knew how, because he just kept on going down the hill.
Thankfully they are in the minority Lisa, probably 1 in a 1000.
In all honesty I haven't come across many but one is too many, enough to spoil your time away.
Anyway, I always find that tethering two mean looking dogs quite near the offenders usually works.
My two dogs would crawl across burning coals to reach a kid (or anyone else for that matter) with a ball.
Lisa
LB said " 10:09 PM Can I just say that I don't feel insulted by gio's comments. He is entitled to his opinion and I just treat it as a bit of banter. I hope he doesn't take what I say personally either :O)
I did say in one of my removed post, that your posts are worth the read....
Well most of them...lol....
I think what surprises me about sites like this is the versility of opinions,that can splinter out to more than just black and white...
I did say in one of my removed post, that your posts are worth the read....
Well most of them...lol....
I think what surprises me about sites like this is the versility of opinions,that can splinter out to more than just black and white...
I`m struggling to see what the discussion is actually all about.
You have kids? Great! Love them,cherish them, spend time with them, (they grow up and leave all too quickly, although sometimes it doesn`t seem like it!), take them caravanning which is a great life.
If they want to play with balls and bikes - absolutely no problem. Just take them to a site which permits it.
Lets not have anyone on here whinging because their little darlings want to play ball and the site rules say they can`t. If you stop on a site you are in effect entering into a contract and agree to the site rules. End of.
My daughter has now flown the nest (to Oz, so she may be back!), but we take our little JRT everywhere with us. Consequently we cant use sites that dont permit dogs, and if the site says she has to go on a lead at all times, then she does (she cant figure out why....). I know the rules before I go, and stick to them when I get there.
We primarily use CC sites where ball games are banned,and are happy to do so, and I for one dont want to be next to someone who thinks that rules are O.K as long as they don`t apply to them. It only takes a small minority to spoil a holiday for the majority.Don`t be in the minority, you never know when the balance of power may change.
You have kids? Great! Love them,cherish them, spend time with them, (they grow up and leave all too quickly, although sometimes it doesn`t seem like it!), take them caravanning which is a great life.
If they want to play with balls and bikes - absolutely no problem. Just take them to a site which permits it.
Lets not have anyone on here whinging because their little darlings want to play ball and the site rules say they can`t. If you stop on a site you are in effect entering into a contract and agree to the site rules. End of.
My daughter has now flown the nest (to Oz, so she may be back!), but we take our little JRT everywhere with us. Consequently we cant use sites that dont permit dogs, and if the site says she has to go on a lead at all times, then she does (she cant figure out why....). I know the rules before I go, and stick to them when I get there.
We primarily use CC sites where ball games are banned,and are happy to do so, and I for one dont want to be next to someone who thinks that rules are O.K as long as they don`t apply to them. It only takes a small minority to spoil a holiday for the majority.Don`t be in the minority, you never know when the balance of power may change.
One complaint is that children playing near cars and caravans have a lack of respect for others property and values.
Quite frankly it is the parents that have the lack of respect for others and their car and caravan.
If you respect others belongings you keep your children in order. Simple really!
On another thread, someone commented on stopping over night at services. We've done just that after getting cheesed off by ignorant parents and their brats. Couldn't move pitch, demanded money back, upped steadies and gone. Better deal than clouting a kiddy wink.
Apart from any site rules, cars and children do not mix no matter how slow you drive on site. I'm not prepared to be hung drawn and quartered due to some un-supervised kiddy wink picking a fight with my set of wheels.
Quite frankly it is the parents that have the lack of respect for others and their car and caravan.
If you respect others belongings you keep your children in order. Simple really!
On another thread, someone commented on stopping over night at services. We've done just that after getting cheesed off by ignorant parents and their brats. Couldn't move pitch, demanded money back, upped steadies and gone. Better deal than clouting a kiddy wink.
Apart from any site rules, cars and children do not mix no matter how slow you drive on site. I'm not prepared to be hung drawn and quartered due to some un-supervised kiddy wink picking a fight with my set of wheels.
In the instance I was referring to the "offending" van was parked up a stones throw (unfortunate choice of phrase) from the play area which includes goal posts etc.
There was no excuse for said young boy to play football around the vans anymore than it was an excuse to be winding his dog up at 7:45am in the morning, when by and large the campsite was very quiet.
Parents were presumably in the van and couldn't be bothered to invest the time in taking him to the play area. It was easier for them to sit in the van and let the annoyance take place.
This is precisely the reason why we tend to avoid bigger sites like Clumber Park and go for either CLs or sites with no facilities on the grounds that the minority who can't be bothered to occupy their kids can't be bothered to fetch water for the shower either.
Our 5 year old loves caravanning and I love caravanning with our 5 year old. We play ball games on site and fly kites etc - all in the designated play area away from caravans. I know where she is all the time, since if she isn't with me she's with her mum. She has been brought up to respect things and other people - actually telling a small kid that he shouldn't play ball games around the caravans whilst in Devon last year. His response "why - I can if I want to..."
The bottom line is respect and as usual its the small minority that cause problems for the rest of us who just want to enjoy time away in the van with our families.
There was no excuse for said young boy to play football around the vans anymore than it was an excuse to be winding his dog up at 7:45am in the morning, when by and large the campsite was very quiet.
Parents were presumably in the van and couldn't be bothered to invest the time in taking him to the play area. It was easier for them to sit in the van and let the annoyance take place.
This is precisely the reason why we tend to avoid bigger sites like Clumber Park and go for either CLs or sites with no facilities on the grounds that the minority who can't be bothered to occupy their kids can't be bothered to fetch water for the shower either.
Our 5 year old loves caravanning and I love caravanning with our 5 year old. We play ball games on site and fly kites etc - all in the designated play area away from caravans. I know where she is all the time, since if she isn't with me she's with her mum. She has been brought up to respect things and other people - actually telling a small kid that he shouldn't play ball games around the caravans whilst in Devon last year. His response "why - I can if I want to..."
The bottom line is respect and as usual its the small minority that cause problems for the rest of us who just want to enjoy time away in the van with our families.
Count yourselves lucky - we live next door to kids who are unruly, insolent, megagobs. Ironically it was these neighbours who precipitated our caravan purchase - we just had to get away to get some peace. We have alot to thank them for!
I just caught up with Lisa's post on the 18th. Quote -
" I don't agree with people playing ball games around caravans whether they are adults or children."
I think this is really the crux of the matter. Nobody should be playing games that can in any way damage another persons van.
I would include in that Boules played around vans on gravel pitches where the gravel gets thrown against the van.
We stayed on an "adults only" site in Cornwall a few years ago only to find that the adults wanted to play football around the vans. They are just as likely to cause damage.
" I don't agree with people playing ball games around caravans whether they are adults or children."
I think this is really the crux of the matter. Nobody should be playing games that can in any way damage another persons van.
I would include in that Boules played around vans on gravel pitches where the gravel gets thrown against the van.
We stayed on an "adults only" site in Cornwall a few years ago only to find that the adults wanted to play football around the vans. They are just as likely to cause damage.
well Willo my sentiments exactly but not for grumpy old gits
an island somewhere for unruly rude kids, but then who would go, its not our children who are causing problems/damage our children are angels
an island somewhere for unruly rude kids, but then who would go, its not our children who are causing problems/damage our children are angels 
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