On old fossil!

[audiorob]

Will caravans have to be all electric in line with vehicles of the future?
Are we being conned by E10 fuel which causes less CO2, and while cleaner is less energy efficient so vehicles will be using more fuel, suspicious when we are told that the change will reduce emissions by the equivalent of 350000 current vehicles?

 

[otherclive]

Will caravans have to be all electric in line with vehicles of the future?
Are we being conned by E10 fuel which causes less CO2, and while cleaner is less energy efficient so vehicles will be using more fuel, suspicious when we are told that the change will reduce emissions by the equivalent of 350000 current vehicles?

The slight almost unnoticeable reduction in mpg is more than offset by the reduction in carbon dioxide emissions going from E5 to E10.

http://www.govwire.co.uk/news/department-for-transport/detailed-guide-e10-petrol-explained-76227

 

[Buckman]

Never understood why British governments are so intent are punishing its citizens when other countries like China carry on building coal fired power stations. Why doesn't the government impose high tariffs on Chinese made goods until they change to more environmentally friendly ways of generating power?

 

[JezzerB]

The Chinese aren't though are they? They are trying very hard and so I read and are a long way ahead of us in terms of Electric vehicle use.

 

[otherclive]

Never understood why British governments are so intent are punishing its citizens when other countries like China carry on building coal fired power stations. Why doesn't the government impose high tariffs on Chinese made goods until they change to more environmentally friendly ways of generating power?

One reason China is being affected by power availability is that power stations are limited to a monthly output. They have the largest renewables sector in the world by a long chalk. As I’ve posted before one city has 14000 electric buses, probably more than the rest of the world put together. They have a large number of nuclear stations, and more under construction. The west has more than contributed to carbon dioxide level since the Industrial Revolution so why do we need to knock China whose development was behind ours when they are probably doing more to deal with climate change than we are. Could the west history be partly to blame for China and India’s development lagging that of the west? Do you really think that putting high tariffs on imports would achieve anything. Didn’t do much for DJT did it.

Below is the recently announced Chinese government plans fir carbon dioxide reductions and their earlier 2015 plans. Their track record to date has been that they meet or exceed their plans. Difficult to find ours in such detail though and it’s not long to COP26 but plenty of long term goals though.


https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2020/12/china-announces-2030-target-for-lower-emissions/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/07/how-china-plans-to-cut-its-carbon-emissions/

 

[bertieboy1]

Will caravans have to be all electric in line with vehicles of the future?
Are we being conned by E10 fuel which causes less CO2, and while cleaner is less energy efficient so vehicles will be using more fuel, suspicious when we are told that the change will reduce emissions by the equivalent of 350000 current vehicles?

The whole green thing is a huge government con.There is no such thing as a "green" vehicle

 

[Tobes]

The whole green thing is a huge government con.There is no such thing as a "green" vehicle

No, but there is such a thing as a "greener" vehicle. It's absolutely true to say that not having a car is better than having one (walk, cycle, use public transport where possible), but sometimes that is not possible (like when towing a caravan). In those cases, more green cars are better than less green cars.

 

[Raywood]

As I understand this the new fuel creates less CO2 but you use more, they say 1%, but my experience suggests nearer 10%. At that point all they are doing is increasing my motoring costs not saving the planet.
You also have to compare the CO2 produced in making the stuff, an American report suggests that in fact you end up producing more CO2 in the production and transport process than you save by the time you drive with it in the car and also some of the plants are coming from Brazil where they are destroying the rain forest. Looks like it could be a major own goal to me.

 

[Beachball]

No, but there is such a thing as a "greener" vehicle. It's absolutely true to say that not having a car is better than having one (walk, cycle, use public transport where possible), but sometimes that is not possible (like when towing a caravan). In those cases, more green cars are better than less green cars.

Out the two cars you got which do you like best for towing your caravan .

 

[otherclive]

As I understand this the new fuel creates less CO2 but you use more, they say 1%, but my experience suggests nearer 10%. At that point all they are doing is increasing my motoring costs not saving the planet.
You also have to compare the CO2 produced in making the stuff, an American report suggests that in fact you end up producing more CO2 in the production and transport process than you save by the time you drive with it in the car and also some of the plants are coming from Brazil where they are destroying the rain forest. Looks like it could be a major own goal to me.

Most European bio ethanol is sourced in Europe. I attach a link. Apologies it still shows UK as in the EU but I could not find a later version.
It shouldn’t be forgotten that a lot of our oil is transported from the Middle East now our North Sea reserves are diminished. So that incurs transport costs. There will also be refining costs associated with producing petrol from crude oil and CO2 emissions too.
Your experience of increased fuel consumption of 10 % seems widely at odds with most reports. I haven’t noticed any significant difference on my standard calibration run to my son in South Wales.
https://www.eubia.org/cms/wiki-biomass/biofuels/bioethanol/

 

[Tobes]

Out the two cars you got which do you like best for towing your caravan .

The EV. It's quieter, more powerful, less "flustered" by the van (not that the V60 is particularly flustered in the 1st place), and the drive is generally smoother. It clearly has a much shorter range than the V60, but it really doesn't bother me given the way we use the caravan and our towing habits.

 

[Beachball]

The EV. It's quieter, more powerful, less "flustered" by the van (not that the V60 is particularly flustered in the 1st place), and the drive is generally smoother. It clearly has a much shorter range than the V60, but it really doesn't bother me given the way we use the caravan and our towing habits.

I hope you happy with what car you have chosen and have many enjoyable breaks