Hi, my bailey pagent Bretagne series 6 has triangle tr928 tyres 195/70/r14 95h however my tyre dealer says they are a heavy duty car tyre not van and if the Mptlm which is the total weight of van un laden these tres will be dangerous as they are rated as 690 k each wheel so would be well under , any tyre expert out there
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- Thread starter Smurff
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Yes, you really need tyres with a 96 load rating minimum, not 95. Various sources would even recommend a further margin of safety, say a 99 or 100 load rating.
Sorry got it wrong way round, Miro n Mtplm being fully laden, however I still think these tyres are borderline if 690 is max load per tyre, with van fully loaded there's not much left either way.
I updated my tyres to a proper commercial vehicle tyre. To obtain a more readily available van tyre I went slightly narrower with a small increase in aspect ratio. I bought Firestone Vanhawks. In your size you can get 96 load index from GT Radial Kargomax ST4000 or I bought the higher load index ST6000 Kargomax and they did fine but you do have to run these at a slightly higher pressure in my case 53psi compared to 42psi for what were the original Trailermaxx tyres.
Oh I omitted to say by changing the tyre size slightly it only affected the rolling diameter by about 2mm so made no difference to ride height, wheelarch clearance or mover clearance.
Oh I omitted to say by changing the tyre size slightly it only affected the rolling diameter by about 2mm so made no difference to ride height, wheelarch clearance or mover clearance.
After moving from the Kargomax ST6000 in OEM size the same as yours I moved to Firestone Vanhawks in 185/80/14 LI102 rather than 185/R14C which have an 85 aspect ratio but might have reduced my arch clearances but the size I chose allowed me to retain the same spare and is still widely a available in many makes ranging from Event to Michelin. Prices between £51-£90 fitted and balanced. The Vanhawks made by Bridgestone are £71 at Blackcircles.
Well these were fitted by a very well known dealer as I emphasised I did a a lot of European travel so needed safety, this was one of the stipulations I made on collecting my new van, as I didn't pay for these do you think I should address this with dealer, they are a main dealership so should know what they're doing, would they really put cost over safety !!!! As they also swapped my mover over at no cost as well do you think I'm being picky, also would MM have to be adjusted if I went for different tyres. ( my tyre dealer said the max van he would put these on would be a boxer )
Whether a business carries out a job FOC or charges, it is obliged to carry out works or service to the specification agreed. If no specification is agreed, unless the situation is illegal or unsafe, the contractor should replace like with like.
Make sure you get your facts straight before approaching the dealer. If the load index is sufficient for the MTPLM of the van then the dealer will probably decline to do anything. The 10% margin now used is not a legal requirement but deemed to be good practice by the Tyresafe organisation. Providing you don't increase your diameter then changing tyre size as I did only affected the diameter by about 2 mm. Reputable tyre makers websites show the overall diameter of each size tyre. I had good performance in your size from Kargomaxx ST 6000 with a LI of 102 ( from memory) but they were the only maker of higher LI tyres in your size that I could find.as we toured abroad I wanted tyres easier to source when travelling if needed. That's why I went for the different size which is slightly narrower but has almost the same diameter. So a straight swop. If your dealer doesn't agree to change then going to better tyres (commercial van type) will cost around £140-150 for reputable brands. Not too much for peace of mind. But don't forget if you opt for higher LI you will need to run at higher pressure. Eg for my MTPLM 1400 kg van I went from 42psi with OEM tyres to 53 psi with the higher LI tyre. This is because their construction requires it. the higher pressure hasn't shaken the van to pieces either!!
Well I'm running these at 62psi which is what they inflated them to, although it says 42psi on side of van by door , when I questioned them they said 62 was right, they are on alloy wheels.
Wrong should be as per van tally plate. 62 psi is the max operating inflation pressure for higher LI tyres. Just look at your tyres they should give a max inflation pressure on the sidewall.
Blimey !!!!!!! You think your doing right by purchasing from a main dealer with no worries about safety etc, now I'm totally confused, so first thing in morning will be reduced to 42psi, these people are ncc approved as well, who the hell can you trust.
If you have any redress against your supplier it must be that the max load of the two tyres is less than the MTPLM ie max loaded weight of the van. If this should be the case your van is unroadworthy and illegal. You need to check your LI and MTPLM and decide which side of the line the tyres fall. If they have to change them then avoid obscure makes even if you have to pay the difference. It's your safety and peace of mind when towing. Don't forget the spare.
PATTERNSIZEPRLOAD INDEX SPEED RATETREAD DEPTH(MM)RIMSEC.
WIDTH (MM)OVERALL DIAMETER (MM)MAX. LOAD (KG)PRESS. KPATYPEMIN. DUAL TIRE SPACE (MM)ECE TR928http://www.triangletire.com/tr918.html175/65R14--82/86THV8.25J177584475350TL Y 175/70R13--82/86THV8.25J177576530350TL 185/60R14--82/86THV8.25½J189578560350TL Y 185/65R14--86/90THV8.25½J189596475350TL Y 185/65R15--88/92THV8.25½J189621515350TL 185/70R14--88/92THV8.25½J189616530350TL 195/55R15--85/89HV8.26J201595560350TL 195/60R14--86THV8.26J201590615350TL Y 195/60R15--88THV8.26J201615530350TL Y 195/65R15--91/95THV8.26J201635545350TL Y 195/70R14--91/95THV8.26J201630615350TL
WIDTH (MM)OVERALL DIAMETER (MM)MAX. LOAD (KG)PRESS. KPATYPEMIN. DUAL TIRE SPACE (MM)ECE TR928http://www.triangletire.com/tr918.html175/65R14--82/86THV8.25J177584475350TL Y 175/70R13--82/86THV8.25J177576530350TL 185/60R14--82/86THV8.25½J189578560350TL Y 185/65R14--86/90THV8.25½J189596475350TL Y 185/65R15--88/92THV8.25½J189621515350TL 185/70R14--88/92THV8.25½J189616530350TL 195/55R15--85/89HV8.26J201595560350TL 195/60R14--86THV8.26J201590615350TL Y 195/60R15--88THV8.26J201615530350TL Y 195/65R15--91/95THV8.26J201635545350TL Y 195/70R14--91/95THV8.26J201630615350TL
Mine is the 195/70 r14 my tyre dealer said max is 690 on EACH tyre so this doesn't give much on the Mtplm does it
Doesn't the table show a load of 630 per tyre. You need to confirm your MTPLM and the actual load index shown on your tyres. Tables are okay but you need to state what the basic facts if your query are. There is a better table on the Tyresafe organisation website b
This question about this size tyre has come up dozens of times, no it's far more than that!!
First then, many manufactures seemed to have fallen in love with this tyre size and fitted it to a broard range of weights of van, some it was perfectly suitable for but others not so if you consider running a tyre at it's maximum is not best practice?
Next though this particular tyre size fell out of overall favour so became scarce to source and expensive if you did find them.
Thankfully then there is a simple solution, you change the tyres for Commercial van tyres, you have three choices, if a mover fitted, 175R14C 99, or, 185/75R14C 102, these being the same diameter as original should fit without need to adjust mover. If though no mover 185R14C 102 is slighty taller and will raise the van about 10mm.
All these three are of a different heavier construction so for a given weight, all need different tyre pressures from each other, and, all of which are totally different to the originals tyre pressure of 42psi for maximum stated load.
So and while I can fully understand your dealer sticking to original fit tyre size so he can use original therefore known tyre pressure, to then go on to suggest putting 62psi in them is very much another matter?!!
First then, many manufactures seemed to have fallen in love with this tyre size and fitted it to a broard range of weights of van, some it was perfectly suitable for but others not so if you consider running a tyre at it's maximum is not best practice?
Next though this particular tyre size fell out of overall favour so became scarce to source and expensive if you did find them.
Thankfully then there is a simple solution, you change the tyres for Commercial van tyres, you have three choices, if a mover fitted, 175R14C 99, or, 185/75R14C 102, these being the same diameter as original should fit without need to adjust mover. If though no mover 185R14C 102 is slighty taller and will raise the van about 10mm.
All these three are of a different heavier construction so for a given weight, all need different tyre pressures from each other, and, all of which are totally different to the originals tyre pressure of 42psi for maximum stated load.
So and while I can fully understand your dealer sticking to original fit tyre size so he can use original therefore known tyre pressure, to then go on to suggest putting 62psi in them is very much another matter?!!
Stick to the original size but choose another make of tyre that offers adequate load rating (at least a 96 load index).
Examples (all the following are 195/70R14):
Barum Vanis (101 load index)
GT Radial Kargomax ST-4000 (96 load index)
GT Radial Kargomax ST-6000 (104 load index)
Maxxis Trailermaxx CR-966 (96 load index)
Hankook K702 (97 load index, but may be out of production as I can't find this tyre in their current line-up)
Semperit Van Life (these even have a 106 load index when fitted to a single axle!)
Examples (all the following are 195/70R14):
Barum Vanis (101 load index)
GT Radial Kargomax ST-4000 (96 load index)
GT Radial Kargomax ST-6000 (104 load index)
Maxxis Trailermaxx CR-966 (96 load index)
Hankook K702 (97 load index, but may be out of production as I can't find this tyre in their current line-up)
Semperit Van Life (these even have a 106 load index when fitted to a single axle!)
Lutz said:
I used Kargo maxx ST6000 for 5 years at the OP size and LI 96 and they were good strong tyres with deep tread. What persuaded me to change from Kargomax was that going for commercial van tyres in a more readily available size gave a wider choice of makes, the tyres as supplied were invariably newer, and because of the wider choice there was more competition on price. Given I had a mover I decided to fit 180/75/R14C LI 102/104, but my spare is still a Kargomax ST 6000 as the difference in diameter is minsicule. No more than the difference caused by sunlight on on eside of the van!
Hi Smurff........from the facts you have given us then you have a Bailey caravan MTPLM of 1420kgs (as stipulated by Bailey) sitting on tyres that according to Tyresafe tables have a maximum load on each tyre of 690kgs.
Bailey stipulate your caravan tyre specification as 195/70 R14 96
If these facts are correct then your caravan is not road legal and any driver would be breaking the law if he were to tow it on the public highway.
You do not give a relative time scale of events as to how long you have owned this caravan but I would definitely make a serious complaint to your dealer and ask him to supply and fit new tyres of the correct specification........that is with a load index of 96 or above......and of course free of charge!
Bailey stipulate your caravan tyre specification as 195/70 R14 96
If these facts are correct then your caravan is not road legal and any driver would be breaking the law if he were to tow it on the public highway.
You do not give a relative time scale of events as to how long you have owned this caravan but I would definitely make a serious complaint to your dealer and ask him to supply and fit new tyres of the correct specification........that is with a load index of 96 or above......and of course free of charge!
Even at 1420kg and with a LI of 96 the caravan is right on the tyres maximum load capability. That is why I upgraded to Li102/104 tyres. In fact Bailey did just that for the slightly heavier Senator range at that time. A Senator with an extra MTPLM of about 70kg had LI 104 tyres.
NCC approval only guarantees that at some time the organisation had paid their subs to the NCC. It affords no guarantee about the competence of the organisation.Smurff said:
otherclive said:
I agree with you........ but if what the OP has told us is correct then he should look to his dealer to provide FOC replacements and he can only insist on tyres to a load index as specified by Bailey for his caravan.
If he can get them to provide higher specification LI tyres........ then as you say he would have tyres with a higher safety margin.
Gafferbill said:
i agree with you that is why in one of my earlier posts I advised the OP to get the facts straight and then contact the dealer. But he has not said how long he has had the van before discovering the discrepancy.
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