private space

[RichardJ]

I know this has been on the site before, but until this last 2 weeks i had never really had a problem with it, i have always walked around pitches, never crossing them, common sense.
This last 10 days has got right up my nose, on at least 20 occasions people had set up behind us, (some only stayed one night), and walked across our front/side, one middle aged lady tripped, on the guide ropes holding up the awning, on a CC site there is enough space allowed between pitches, oh no, one gent was a right stuck up git, not only did he cross our pitch, but the 10 or so pitches between him and the disposal point he crossed them all, not just once.
Never have i seen so many doing it, dogs on leads, dog in our awning while the owner had a chat to someone she met! our dogs just sat and looked in as much amazement as me.
I watched astounded, a camper from behind us walked to the toilet block, through every pitch on the way.
All I can say is glad i don't do it.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Totally agree but you have to make allowances. OK, some are pig ignorant but a lot are that stoooooooopid they don't realise they are doing wrong.
Last week at Englethwaite Hall two old biddies arrived in a caravan and continually walked across three pitches. Not only that they walked their cat on a lead trying to get it to do its business behind the same pitches. The grass was soaking wet and all they had to do was walk along the tarmac drive to the service point which was about ten steps further. Admitted they did look a bit eccentric and the one old biddy was I believed dressed for a dare. Bright orange short hair with grey roots showing, multi-shaded pink blouse, beige shorts which if a pole was shoved up the middle would have made a nice tent, shocking pink ankle socks and beige high platform shoes

At this same site there's a walk into the High Stand forest which has three pools which one can fish but the path leads between two pitches and I never feel easy when walking between them.

 

[mullsy1]

Well,If sites can't be bothered with dedicated cat walks,what do you expect.

 

[Andrewbutcher]

I think it's a reflection of todays society unfortunately!......i personally thought CC members would have slightly more respect, but after our visit a few months ago to Sandringham, sadly this isn't the case!

 

[haggarj2]

You pay for the pitch for your caravan and awning if you have one erected, any other space around van makes the 6 metres spacing(awning allowed) for densiy under the Model Standards for Caravan Sites which the Fire Service specifies to the local authority who licence the site under the Caravan Sites and Control and Development Act 1960 parts of which have been superseeded by the Regulatory Reform Act in England and Wales and the Fire Safety Scotland Act in Scotland.The spacing is required as a fire break in the event of a fire to help stop the spread of fire to other vans and for the egress of fire fighting vehicles.There is nothing to stop anyone walking through between them.Personally I do not do it, but its not a private space.

 

[Alimac1]

Duplicate Post

 

[Alimac1]

re this point, this is a bugbear of mine also , I have paid for the pitch, yes the site belongs to someone else but my fee is renting it so in my opinion the pitch is mine whilst there, it is purely ignorance of others that they then impose on that space - would you let others walk through your garden?. And yes I respect the views of fellow caravanners and I can be as sociable as others on site but I also like/ need my privacy - this is why I have a caravan.

Ali

 

[JonnyRockstar]

In some cases of "walking through my pitch" the actual layout of the site may be a factor. At Blackpool CC the play area is surrounded by caravans in a circle thus there is no other way of getting through.
I am not condoning the behaviour as it can very annoying but there may be other reasons for people doing it.

 

[Surfer]

On the very odd occasion I will sometimes walk in between caravans, but in the middle of the gap and not across their pitches. I don't see a problem with doing it this way. It is a hassle for me to walk the long way around.

 

[Dustydog]

Last year on a very hot day we had a lot of the side windows wide open.
A lazybones took a shortcut and cracked his head right on the window edge. It must have hurt as we found traces of blood and watched the idiot stagger off to the toilet. He never took a short cut by us again

 

[JonnyRockstar]

Last year on a very hot day we had a lot of the side windows wide open.
A lazybones took a shortcut and cracked his head right on the window edge. It must have hurt as we found traces of blood and watched the idiot stagger off to the toilet. He never took a short cut by us again

You were lucky you weren't sued !!!

 

[Dustydog]

Last year on a very hot day we had a lot of the side windows wide open.
A lazybones took a shortcut and cracked his head right on the window edge. It must have hurt as we found traces of blood and watched the idiot stagger off to the toilet. He never took a short cut by us again

You were lucky you weren't sued !!!

Interesting point.However the site never issued me with instructions to keep all windows shut at all times. I was never asked to erect a red triangle warning "trespassers".
I don't quite see how I could have been sued.
Maybe The Prof has some comments?
Sorry somethings gone wrong with the fonts here.

 

[haggarj2]

Re the above if someone bumped their head on your caravan window I would agree that was pushing it too far as they were too close,thats not just cutting through the open space.
As for being sued yes you could have been under occupiers liability you are held responsible for everything that happens in connection with your property ie, your house ,caravan etc.
As for the previous comment would I like anyone cutting through our garden.Has been done and we couldn't do anything about it as we live in Scotland and there is no Law of Tresspass in Scotland.

 

[kopite]

Are you having a laugh getting sued for someone walking into my van i`ve heard it all now does this mean if i`m parked in tesco and some moron catches there arm on door mirror the same applies?

 

[craigmurray]

Ignorance, Ignorance, Ignorance.......When we go away we erect our wind breaks to stop lazy ignorant people walking through our pitch...2 reasons for this, we are dog owners and have 2 rottweilers and a staffy, although we are responsible dog owners and they are dearly loved well trained socialised family pets if we didnt put the windbreaks up and someone walked through and the dogs barked, they would be classed as typical rottweilers, we are all for promoting a well trained friendly breed not the stereotypical type which people think of!!! Also if im eating my bacon and egg butty for breakfast i dont want an ignorant pig walking through my pitch disturbing my breakfast....

 

[Steve L]

Our site has the tent pitches very inconviently placed leaving us in the caravans on gravel hardstandings between them and the toilet block.
So what you get is inconsiderate people trudging through the gravel of the vacant pitch next to us, starting at 6am and going on upto midnight.
Nobody seems to be able to walk on the grass which gives off no residual noise, or be bothered to walk the extra 50 metres round the road way.

But the basic problem these days is people don't give a stuff about others, so long as they're ok jack.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Hmmmm having adjourned to consider my verdict

Trespass

I belive the meaning of trespass has changed over time, and when it referes to intruding on another persons property, these days it is only invoked if the trespasser does so with malicious or dangerous intent or causes actual damage or loss. In essence these days nobody has an absolute right to ban access to property!!

I cant see somebody walking into an open window constitutes any of the above, unless the window opened up onto an established walk or passage way.

There is another aspect to this with regards to caravan and camping sites. It is questionable if when you book a pitch whether you are given any privacy rights. Unless they are written into the contract, they do not form any part of the transaction, and you have no legal right to assume you do. However some sites do have by-laws/site rules which might include some recognition of privacy.

Common decency and social awarness should prevail. And hopefully other site users should avoid infringing your pitch, but as I have pointed out so many times before any aspect that relies on a perception of 'commonality' it is invairably flawed which is why we get these threads arising.

This is a subject that should be brought to the attention of the "British Holiday & Home Parks Association" they were "established exclusively to serve and represent the interests of the British parks industry." Perhaps they could be persuaded to create a basic set of standard by-laws that park operators could use, and would include things like respect for other hirers privacy, noise, speed limits, control of dogs, disposal of waste etc. At least then no one could claim ignorance, and site operators would have more conviction of their responsibilities when managing contraventions.

It is the verdict of this court that the guilty shall be taken from this place, and placed in the stocks in the centre of the caravan park for a period of 1 week on public view, and only given bread and water twice a day. This dictum given on the 21st day of August in the year of our Lord 2011, at the PCF Assizes.

 

[Gafferbill]

That's clever Prof!
...............operating a computer whilst having a nice Sunday nap and during a weird dream!

 

[ProfJohnL]

Well Bill

I'd lost me black cloth, so I had to commute the sentence.

 

[xtrailman]

Not another thread about my pitch!
On the last cl i stayed we had loads of space, unfortunately i parked with a view to keeping a good space between caravans.

And completely forgot about the toilet and shower nearby.

Did i winge, glare, or become abusive in manner, when someone pasted by, no, and why should i.

Why expect folks to walk the long way round just to avoid crossing my land, get a grip people, if you want isolation rent the entire cl for a week.

 

[Parksy]

I have to admit that although I perhaps wouldn't have put it quite so bluntly I'm with Ray on this one.
I try my best to avoid cutting across the pitches of other caravanners but sometimes it's unavoidable, especially on rallies or music festivals like the one that we're heading for next week.
I don't mind a person cutting across the pitch that I'm using as long as their dog doesn't foul the pitch and they don't stare into the caravan when I'm having a meal.
I've struck up some interesting conversations with people who for whatever reason have wandered across 'my' pitch and if someone is desperate for the loo I'd much rather they cut across than try to hide behind a hedge if they can't make it.

 

[copaul1]

Get real Parksy you know that you dont like it anymore than anyone else and those that do it dont like it either

 

[thursdays child]

We have not had too much of this particular behaviour. I wonder if it is because we have our 15ft alligator on his lead outside. If the worst thing that happens on our trips is someone getting a bit too close I will count myself lucky. On the other hand I am myself a bit paranoid about not encroaching when escorting The Bears to the designated poo field.My poor little Maddie has been hitched up in mid flow when taken short before she reaches the field! I have even considered carrying a bottle of water to splash on the offended area. I really need to loosen up!!!Himself has to make sure the rotary/sat dish are kept as unobtrusive as possible or I cannot settle. This is why we use large CL/CS whenever possible. I think I might look for a little island.Oh no I forgot we live on one!!!
Thursdays Child