Rewire van for a single connection

[andyp1]

I have a senator wyoming 2007 caravan and a car with the new 13 pin socket. I currently use the adapter leads, however i would like to rewire the van to have just the one lead as well - one small problem maybe that i need to plug the black lead on the caravan into a socket on the A frame to get the motor mover to work.

Can anyone offer some advice or point me in the right direction?.

Thanks Andy

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

Is that a Truma Mover? If so you could order a new socket to plug into. We ordered our mover with the new socket as we knew we would be changing the set up on the van.

 

[Sproket]

Andy

Which plug do you use to connect to the motor mover ?

If its the 12n ... ? then you could use this Here

7 pin to 13 pin Conversion Adaptor (ELS12)

Take a look on Here

Hope this helps

Sproket.

 

[colin-yorkshire1]

Andy why do you need to plug into the black socket for the mover?? surely the mover is wired into the van battery via a isolater switch the black plug feeds only the van lights

doesn't it??

colin

 

[andyp1]

The mover ie the Truma TE ( 1 YEAR OLD )

The mover was fitted by a main dealer and apparently it is wired like this to reduce the chances of you driving off with the mover still engaged! Either way it will not work unless it is connected

Thanks for all the comments back , I still need to work out how to reduce to just the one lead.

Cheers

Andy

 

[NigelHutson]

I know it doesn't help with your question, but it's strange that it's been wired up that way. Mine is directly to the caravan battery, and no, I've never tried to drive away with it engaged. I don't think you'd go far if you did!

 

[Sproket]

Andy

On the Truma web site it is saying:

Safety socket

A safety socket must be installed with the Mover SE R and TE R to prevent the equipment from being swivelled in unintentionally while driving. The rollers cannot be swivelled in and out to allow manoeuvring until the caravan plug has been inserted into the 13-pin safety socket.

Engagement and disengagement

Engagement and disengagement takes place electrically and conveniently by pressing the button on the radio remote control.

The safety socket prevents de Mover from being unintentionally swivelled in with a caravan hitched, e.g. while driving.

It the caravan battery is completely flat or defective, the Mover have an emergency out-swivel function. The special key that is required for this purpose is included in the delivery.

I have to go into my van to turn the power on for my powrtouch mover... no need for wiring like this..

why not put a 13pin socket onto the van ?? then you can just plug your 13pin plug into it ??

Truma web site info Here

good luck )

Sproket.

 

[Sproket]

Just found the Truma Installation instructions

with wiring instructions ( page 20 )Here

Hope this helps ??

Sproket.

 

[andyp1]

Andy

On the Truma web site it is saying:

Safety socket

A safety socket must be installed with the Mover SE R and TE R to prevent the equipment from being swivelled in unintentionally while driving. The rollers cannot be swivelled in and out to allow manoeuvring until the caravan plug has been inserted into the 13-pin safety socket.

Engagement and disengagement

Engagement and disengagement takes place electrically and conveniently by pressing the button on the radio remote control.

The safety socket prevents de Mover from being unintentionally swivelled in with a caravan hitched, e.g. while driving.

It the caravan battery is completely flat or defective, the Mover have an emergency out-swivel function. The special key that is required for this purpose is included in the delivery.

I have to go into my van to turn the power on for my powrtouch mover... no need for wiring like this..

why not put a 13pin socket onto the van ?? then you can just plug your 13pin plug into it ??

Truma web site info Here

good luck )

Sproket.

Yes , that makes sense - I just need to work out how to install the single wire into the van , I will need to take a look over xmas to see where the connections are etc.

Thanks for your input

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

Just found the Truma Installation instructions

with wiring instructions ( page 20 )Here

Hope this helps ??

Sproket.

Regarding the Truma mover, you need to purchase a 13 pin socket to replace the 7 pin currently on your van. Then connect the wire from the control box (in the 7 pin socket connected to pin 3) to pin 11 in the 13 pin socket as per Truma instructions. The mover will not work without this wire connected correctly.

Regarding rewiring of the van, this can be done by obtaining the correct 13 core cable, 5 x 2.5 mm2 + 8 x 1.5 mm2 cores, 3 m lengths are available from Sargent Electrical. This cable also have the cores arranged in the correct order to fit the positions in the plug (as long as it is used from the correct end). The two existing cables and the new 13 core cable can then be pulled into the van and the correct wires connected using a terminal block. The terminal block can be housed in a suitable plastic container secured within for example a bed box. This method has already been used by others. Wiring diagram for the 13 pin system is available from many places on the net, try Google!

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

10:33 PM Regarding the Truma mover, you need to purchase a 13 pin socket to replace the 7 pin currently on your van. Then connect the wire from the control box (in the 7 pin socket connected to pin 3) to pin 11 in the 13 pin socket as per Truma instructions. The mover will not work without this wire connected correctly.

Regarding rewiring of the van, this can be done by obtaining the correct 13 core cable, 5 x 2.5 mm2 + 8 x 1.5 mm2 cores, 3 m lengths are available from Sargent Electrical. This cable also have the cores arranged in the correct order to fit the positions in the plug (as long as it is used from the correct end). The two existing cables and the new 13 core cable can then be pulled into the van and the correct wires connected using a terminal block. The terminal block can be housed in a suitable plastic container secured within for example a bed box. This method has already been used by others. Wiring diagram for the 13 pin system is available from many places on the net, try Google!

Reposted due to my OH putting this in "comments"!

 

[Sproket]

Andy

You will only need to replace your 7pin socket with a 13pin one, you will NOT need to purchase any extra 13 core cable, the pdf file wiring diagram which i have put you a link to is only showing two core cable ..... Below is a extract from that page.

"" 7-pin safety socket

Connect pin 3 of the caravan plug to the negative battery

terminal.

Connect pin 3 of the safety socket to the controller (with one

wire of the 2-wire cable).

13-pin safety socket

Connect pin 11 of the caravan plug to the negative battery

terminal.

Connect pin 11 of the safety socket to the controller (with one

wire of the 2-wire cable).

If it is not possible to make a connection using pin 11 (pin

missing, for example), use pin 3 as an alternative.

It must be ensured that ground connections pin 11

and pin 3 are not interconnected in an electrically

conductive manner at the trailer side! ""

It is clearly shown Here on page 21

Sproket.

 

[xtrailman]

The truma instructions also refer to different safety socket connections, depending on which brake lights you have, Led or conventional.

Sprocket, the original post asked for directions to change over to a single cable.

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

Since Andy DOES want to wire his van with a 13 pin plug to fit directly to his car, he will need about 3 metres of the correct 13 core cable and a 13 pin plug for the van. No extra 13 core for rewiring the mover socket, only a new 13 pin Truma socket to fix on the A frame, wired using the already fitted wires connected as per the Truma installation instructions.

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

Since Andy DOES want to wire his van with a 13 pin plug to fit directly to his car, he will need about 3 metres of the correct 13 core cable and a 13 pin plug for the van. No extra 13 core for rewiring the mover socket, only a new 13 pin Truma socket to fix on the A frame, wired using the already fitted wires connected as per the Truma installation instructions.

Beat me to it RAY! Had to take a phonecall in mid post.

 

[Sproket]

But if he already has the cable at the front of the A frame for both 12n & 12s plugs & the van is 2007 is it not already 13core cable & then the cable split to take the 7 pin plugs ..?

Even if it was two seven core cables he could still wire them into a 13pin plug a lot easier than making a lot of new connections in the van ..?

Apologies ....

But has i see it the cables are already there ... so all he needs to do is change the socket on the A-frame & wire it accordingly, remove the 12n & 12s plugs & fit a 13pin plug in its place...

Why does he have to fit 13core cable ..?

Sproket.

 

[xtrailman]

While jennifer is on the phone?

I have actually fitted both original cables into a 13 pin.

The difficulty is getting a water proof cable entry, i used silicon.

Also to get both cables into the cable entry, some of the plastic has to be filed away, the end result has worked fine for me, having used this set up for this season only, it has not as yet been tested for endurance.

The two cables into one plug also makes the termination quite stiff.

However if you use a single 13core cable, with the correct ratings, a cleaner, neater termination is possible.

With my caravan, the cables enter near the wheel arc so its about 4m of cable, in addition specialist connections are required inside the caravan, hence the use of the connector block, not a totally satisfactory job.

My way has only the same number of connections, but with the disadvantages mentioned.

 

[Sproket]

Ray

I totally agree but until Andy has a look under the A-frame he might be surprised.... it is a 2007 van .. ?

When i did mine the cable was split into two for about two foot, it was only when i got under the A-frame i realised it was already 13core, when i wired it up i used self amalgamating rubber tape to seal & tidy it all up ...

I did not have to do any filing as the rubber boot fitted over the cable OK

I do remember when this has been brought up before about fitting a 13pin plug... the advice was to buy a pre wired one and make a connection under the van .. ?

Still at the end of the day Andy will make his own choice as to which way he decides to do it he has all the information now & the links to Truma for the wiring diagram

He could use this

 

[xtrailman]

Sproket

I didn't know that, as you say if thats the case, simply use a 13pin.

With older vans, my 2004 for example, the cables are one black, one grey, straight back to the wheel arch.

 

[Jennifer_374461363]

No idea about the Bailey, but on our 2008 Sterling the 2 cables went into the van at the front and then connected straight into the box that sits in one of the front bed lockers You can now buy pre wired cables for some Swift Group vans that plug straight into this box. They were not yet available when ours was converted.

Whatever method you use, I think it would be better to make any connections actually inside the van where possible.

Using the actual 13 core cable is much easier and gives a better job. On our 1998 Emerald my husband wired the 2 existing cables into the 13 pin plug, but it was quite tricky. He did that as we only planned to keep the van one more year. On our present van he decided to renew the cable as we will have the van for several years.

 

[andyp1]

Thanks for all of your input , I understand each of your comments.

I have just got back from a week away in the van and whilst i have it back home I will take a look underneath/inside to see where and what the cables are.

It would seem to make sense to pull back both the current cables 12N and 12S into the underbed locker and connect the new 13 pin cable using a junction box there.

My van was built just before the new 13 pin cable was introduced - I asked bailey what they diference was and they were not very helpful-they suggested taking it back to the dealer - who thanks to Discover caravan group has now closed down !

After doing all of this I assume the 13pin sockets are reliable? The connection into the back of the car seems far more robust.

 

[Sproket]

Andy

When you fit them together they twist and lock into place and cant just fall out like the 12n / 12s ones, the only way you will damage them is if you leave it plugged in when the car moves away from the van...

This might be of use

13pin wiring diagram

 

[Heethers]

Sprocket thanks for the diagram have saved it to my folders.

NigelH

 

[andyp1]

Andy

When you fit them together they twist and lock into place and cant just fall out like the 12n / 12s ones, the only way you will damage them is if you leave it plugged in when the car moves away from the van...

This might be of use

13pin wiring diagram

Very useful , many thanks

 

[Andy5Z]

Hi did you do this yet? If not consider this, with an adaptor lead you basically have a grey and black lead going into a 13 pin plug.

So all I did was remove the 13 pin plug from the adaptor lead, remove the grey and black plugs from the caravan leads and fitted the 13pin plug straight onto the caravan leads!

Voila! No new parts required and whole thing only took an hour. Do remember to note lead positions in 13 pin plug whilst removing it from 13 pin lead. Prior to fitting 13 pin plug I fitted a length of heat shrink over the 2 caravan leads to make it into 1 lead(ish)! If you dont have access to heat shrink/gun then insulating tape will do just as well!

Hope this helps

Andy P