I am about to start using a compas corona 475 but the data plate that contains the s/n and the load information has been lost
how do I get a replacement plat or sticker
how do I get a replacement plat or sticker
S/N and mpl data
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Contact Elddis who can steer you in the right direction or maybe even supply a replacement sticker..
Which is ironic given the many discussions about manufacturers plates not complying with statutory requirements.
It still needs a statutory plate, though, even if it won't, of course, include a type approval number if it was built before whole vehicle type approval came into being. Statutory plates for trailers were required already under the 1986 UK Road Vehicle Construction and Use Regulations.
If you check the regulations for a statutory plate, no caravans at the time came with a sticker complying with statutory requirements. Basically you can get one off eBay, fill in the details like MIRO and MTPLM. A sticker was not a legal requirement on the body of the caravan and the sticker was issued as a guideline for prospective buyers.
I would suggest that the OP contacts Elddis for the relevant details and then gets a sticker made up to slap on the side of the caravan for their own benefit. I am not aware of a statutory plate on caravans prior to 2011 although they might be there somewhere.
When we required a MTPLM upgrade on our Lunar they sent the sticker in the post for us to stick on as there was no sticker on the caravan. All that was on the sticker was MIRO, MTPLM and CRIS number and as we all know a CRIS number is not a legal requirement.
I don't know what regulations you have been looking at, but MIRO, for a start, is not and never has been a legal requirement on a statutory plate. On the other hand, that same plate must display the VIN and maximum allowable axle loads. Because the statutory plate has documentary value it must be issued by the manufacturer only. Any self-styled plate would amount to a forgery.
I think the sticker that you are referring to is the NCC label, but that is not a statutory plate and it doesn't comply with the requirements that apply to statutory plates.
I think the sticker that you are referring to is the NCC label, but that is not a statutory plate and it doesn't comply with the requirements that apply to statutory plates.
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I think you are getting confused. I never said that the sticker was a statutory plate as it does not conform to the requirements.
Regardless of the sticker being discussed, the fact is only the final manufacturer can supply a identity plate that conforms to the statutory requirements.
Is there any way for the Police or DVSA to tell the difference between a sticker supplied by the original manufacturer and a sticker bought off Ebay?
It would not surprise me if they could, but that is irrelevant.
The OP is asking how/where to get a replacement. Only the final manufacturer can issue a legitimate data plate. Its up to the purchaser to decide if the cost/risk is worth trying to cheat by buying a fake - not a prospect I'd recommend .
I think the OP could be referring to the sticker on the body of the caravan and not the actual data plate which I believe is fixed to the axle or maybe somewhere else on the chassis. Maybe the OP could clarify which plate they require as one can be bought off the Internet and the other is required from manufacturer.
However if the plate that is fixed to the caravan has been removed, it does raise the question why it was removed as more than likely it was riveted onto the chassis?
However if the plate that is fixed to the caravan has been removed, it does raise the question why it was removed as more than likely it was riveted onto the chassis?
The plates on the axle/chassis only apply to those components - they don't constitute the statutory plate for the assembled caravan.
Prior to 2011 I don't think there was a statutory plate for the assembled caravan, just axle weight plate. I don't think our earlier caravans even had the CRIS number. After 2011 a chassis had to have a TIN which is a Trailer Identification Number which would be different to the CRIS number on the sticker on the side of a caravan.
As I mentioned before, the 1986 regulations already required a statutory weight plate on all vehicles and that includes trailers. There is no such thing as a TIN. It is a VIN. In this respect, the regulations do not differentiate between motor vehicles and trailers. Neither a CRIS number nor the MIRO have any place on a statutory plate. The chassis is not specifically required to have a weight plate. It may have one, but it only serves a useful purpose for the Stage 2 (caravan) manufacturer, not for the end user. The completed vehicle, in this case the caravan, must have a statutory weight plate. It may be attached to the chassis, but more often than not it is somewhere on the body, often in the front locker.
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Why does the regulations refer to TIN as I took the acronym from the gov uk website relating to trailer construction?
The gov.uk website is not the law. In fact it is known for its flaws. For definitive information one must refer to the actual text of the legislation.
Well I had little joy getting the plate from the manufacturer however they did supply me with the relevant information. Looks like I’m going on Amazon or eBay to find a suitable plate to engrave
I would remind the manufacturer that he is under obligation to provide a statutory plate. If he doesn't, how can he guarantee that the details that he supplied to you were correctly transferred to the plate? After all, the plate carries his name, so he is responsible for what it displays and he retains full product liability for the life of the vehicle.
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TBH I don't thin k you are correct as mentioned previously the sticker on the Corona would not be a statutory plate as the caravan was built prior to Oct 2012.
If it was built before 2012, the C&U rules from 1985 will apply to statutory plates - the format changed but not the need for a body-mounted plate/sticker with weight limitations shown.
That is correct for trailers under 3500kgs. No need for a sticker on body of the caravan as long as there is a plate on the chassis. Before Oct 2012 I don't think the stickers even displayed a CRIS number. They only showed MIRO & MTPLM.
I have never heard of VOSA or DVLA crawling underneath any caravan to find the plate which may be on the chassis. I doubt if any plate can be fixed to the A frame as I don't think a frame is part of the chassis as it is a separate piece.
Can we get rid of the notion that CRIS has anything to do with it - it's a voluntary scheme but doesn't figure anywhere in statutory requirements.
The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) is required after 2012 (among other requirements) - a Serial Number was required on the chassis of earlier trailers, usually on the A-frame.
Modern trailer chassis frames are made up of several components bolted together.
The CRIS number is shown on the sticker on the body of the caravan. and we are all aware that CRIS is not a requirement The statutory plate is supposed to have a TIN number on it as a trailer is not a vehicle.
However this does not help the OP who has not confirmed whether it is the sticker on the body of the caravan or the statutory plate that is fixed to the chassis that is missing. Also year of caravan would be helpful.
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