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No argument there of course! In fact if always on EHU I'd invest in an induction set-up and not carry any gas.
When I first bought Safefill (10 years ago now) it made me feel better knowing I was not being ripped off by Calor.
In addition at well under £10 for a fill from empty the use of gas in colder weather made economic sense and with sites now setting up metered consumption even more so. Of course, Germany particularly and other parts of Europe have metered electricity for years. I have universal connectors to use most European pumps.
As a caravanner who prefers not to run out of gas the fact that for any trip I choose I can leave full is a massive benefit and I presume the loss accepted when part filled bottles are exchanged should be considered.
But yes, setting up Safefill is not cheap. Nor are caravans. Full tank of fuel well over £100 at the moment.
Without trying to be contentious I can afford to indulge my whim and follow my preferences.
As for the fear of progress leaving me behind with a redundant Safefill bottle then I'll take my chance. Same as I did when I bought my current car 2 years ago - Santa Fe - 2.2 CRDi.
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Why do you think EVs don’t help the environment? Surely improved air quality is a big plus point?
The improved air quality is "only" at point of use - globally, the energy and natural resources used over the whole life of an EV (manufacture, use, disposal) is no better than modern IC cars - given the dependence on Chinese manufacturing, possibly worse.
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I think that hypothesis has been well and truly scotched numerous times in the Forum. At the moment only 26% of our electricity is coming from gas plants the rest from non C02 emitting sources. So anyone running an EV is overall emitting less CO2 than even the cleanest ICE.
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There's no doubt that by just looking at running costs you can create a favourable picture - but the initial manufacturing costs and end-of-life disposal costs need to be taken into account and they have a large carbon footprint.
Climate change is a global issue, not a uk-specific one - so you need to look at the global picture for energy generation - with all western economies heavily dependent on Chinese manufacturing, it's the Chinese coal-powered energy creating a big part of the global problem.
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But in getting from A to B the greater efficiency of an EV means it uses less fossil fuel. But since this thread was about filling gas bottles you have successfully diverted it so I’m out.
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Please reread all the other threads where you have suggested the same thing, and where numerous times and with strong widely based evidence your "facts" have been comprehensively shown to be wrong.
I strongly suggest if you want to pursue this line of debate yet again, start another thread, and rather than just make unsubstantiated statements, provide the evidence or the links to reliable sources.
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Perhaps you are the one that needs to rethink the evidence. Not sure why you brought it up as the thread was about refilling Safefill bottles and not Evs or shortage of gas. Enjoy!
Thanks. Yes I have an adapter set. Given often poor availability of LPG I saw that as a bit of a last resort though. I’ve just been on a trip to Norway total about 3 weeks, even though it was June there was clearly still a potential need for heating plus of course cooking and hot water. We did not know at the time whether a lot of this would turn out to be pretty off grid, though as it turned out we found more EHU facilities than we expected. Whatever, I think two bottles would have covered the trip easily avoiding any chasing around for LPG refilling. Looking at Norway in the Stavanger area for example I found only one promising LPG garage on G maps etc. I think that in practice we would only need to refill if going on longer trips, at present not likely, nice to know it’s a possibility though,
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It must have been a very interesting trip doing Norway. What was your route to get to Norway itself? Actually if you opened another thread regarding that trip and campsites, I am sure others will also find it interesting.
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This topic has degenerated into the same old pro versus anti electric vehicle argument that's regularly regurgitated by the same protagonists at every opportunity.
I dislike restricting discussions to insist that they stay strictly on topic, but this constant sniping between the pro and anti EV supporters is tiresome, repetetive and has to stop.
This topic is now locked.
To prevent the possibility of further topics being locked for the same reason, the next time that this same argument crops up in a topic about a different matter, the entire topic will be taken down without further explanation or warnings, and repeat offenders may be face suspension from this forum.
For those wishing to continue this pointless argument, start a topic about it to gauge the response, or lack of it, or buy an EV or don't buy one, we don't care.
Combative statements and point scoring comments will be deleted from now on.
I dislike restricting discussions to insist that they stay strictly on topic, but this constant sniping between the pro and anti EV supporters is tiresome, repetetive and has to stop.
This topic is now locked.
To prevent the possibility of further topics being locked for the same reason, the next time that this same argument crops up in a topic about a different matter, the entire topic will be taken down without further explanation or warnings, and repeat offenders may be face suspension from this forum.
For those wishing to continue this pointless argument, start a topic about it to gauge the response, or lack of it, or buy an EV or don't buy one, we don't care.
Combative statements and point scoring comments will be deleted from now on.
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