Hello John, sorry of course you are right on all extremities i was just trying to make a point that my 40 cm dish was adequate for france. so you can see jodrell bank ?, its an impresive site isn't it?, ive lived in cheshire all my life and would you believe never visited, its one of them places i never think of as its on the door so to speak. ive got 2 trips to chester today via stockport and altrincham as i drop down over the m6 towards plumley i'll give you a nice long toot on the train horn to say hello. i can see jodrell bank from theire.