Straw Poll.

[cris_408518]

Following the news and catching some of BBC question time last night got us wondering.

If you as parents or your kids as parents were to be lost in an accident would you be truly happy for the kids to be adopted by

a gay couple.

All seems like more PC madness to me.

Our answer was.

NO

 

[JeremyClarksson]

I have to agree with the RC church on this one - NO

My reasoning is the very close to theirs on this -

A child has the best chance in life if bought up in a stable family environment by their natural parents.

Some compromises have to be made, marriages break up, parents die, parents not fit to bring up children (drug users, peadophiles etc).

But the children that are not able to be bought up in this way probably need an even more stable environment than children that are.

Some children end up by accident in a gay family because one of the partners is their parent - this is better than having them adopted because some of that environment is still there, but I can not agree with children being put into anything but a family with a stable different sex relationship.

There are plenty of older parents out there who want to adopt and the interests of the child must come first in these situations.

I am not homophobic we have a close family member who is gay, we also have close family members and friends who are unable to adopt because of their age.

 

[cris_408518]

Robert we have Gay friends and family to the same as Garry. To my knowlege yhey have never had any interst in having children and that is their business.

Children are the product of the union of male and female and for ever and a day most have been brought up that way. If I was to have departed this world when my kids were young or lost my kids now and they had children who I could not care for I would expect them to be brought up by a heterosexual couple.

As a gay man you no doubt want people to accept how you live and think, reality is that I belive that come to the crunch most parents would want the same as me Garry and some Church's.

Being PC with what one says in Public and the reality of what parents would expect for their orphaned children may not suit the Gay community. In time attitudes may change, but using the law is not the way to achieve that change.

A lot of children have enough problems growing up and I don't beleive that being brought up by a gay couple would help whether you or I like that or not.

 

[Robert_374236752]

So what is the problem with two males or two females bringing up a child?

 

[Angus1]

Never having given the matter a great deal of considered thought, I watched `Question Time` with some interest and a relatively open mind.

Unfortunately, at the end of it I really wasn`t in a position where I`d get into a heated, principled argument over the rights and wrongs of this particular issue. It`s far too important and complex to permit snap decisions.

I do have a few comments however:-

1. Whilst I would vehemently deny any charges of homophobia, I am livid at the corruption of our language by the cosy use of word "gay". The correct term is homosexual, look it up. It is not derogatory.

2.I was intrigued that the panel member who went along the lines of "all religions have their own ideas and views, the only rule that must count is the rule of law" ( maybe not pararhrased too well). So we won`t be seeing Seikhs wearing turbans on motorbikes anymore??

3.Valid point made in the `Yorkshire Post`today. We can expect the Government to ride roughshod over the wishes of the Catholic church with their peaceful protest and dialogues. Would the same disregard be shown to a mass protest, disruption and the threat of bombs by Muslims? Some may regard this as inflammatory, but is merely a question that was asked and I have not attempted to be drawn into an answer.

This is a very sticky piece of legislation to have to debate, and I for one can`t see how a satisfactory resolution will be found, without alienating one sizeable section of the population or another.

 

[Robert_374236752]

Question for Garry and cris,

you both say that you have friends and family members who are gay, yet you wouldn't trust them to bring up a child.

Why is that?

 

[cris_408518]

That is not what I said Robert. I would no more want children of mine adopted by a single parent family any more than I would a gay couple.

With my wife and other family members in teaching we know of enough problems with kids in single parent families and those with a a variety of "uncles or regular new dads" and the stigmas of being adopted by a new father let alone a same sex couple.

Children can be very cruel and we also have first hand experience where a parent has come out and taken the children to live with a same sex partner. Result for the children has been disaster due to peer group pressures in the main.

On another point I have two friends and an old aquaintance who are called Gay. You would only have to experience some of their tales re mis understanding to undersatnd peoples concerns re how children would handle living with same sex parents.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

I'm not a Roman Catholic nor am I religious but the Head of the Catholic church in this country is 100% right. I was even surprised to see that the head of my church, the druid Dr. Rowan Williams also supports what the R.C. church is saying. Like others posts in this thread I'm not homophobic, what consenting adults do behind closed doors between themselves is of no concern to me but even someone with only two brain cells knows that procreation and the rearing of a family is between a male and female. I also agree with Angus on the misuse of English words like gay, where on earth did that come from, what is gay about homosexuals? Do they go happily skipping wherever they wander? I'm sick of the minority of politically correct idiots who have taken over this country, what is needed is a revolution because we have gone too far. Nobody in government has mentioned the most important point in this matter and that is the poor child who has no say in the matter and it's the childs welfare that is PARAMOUNT, not the selfish wishes of the homosexual community. I'm sorry Robert but children should be given the right start in life, they will have time when they are older to make up their own minds about their sexual orientation without being reared thinking that two women or two men as parents is natural because quite simply it isn't, no matter what argument you put up.

 

[Robert_374236752]

You say that you are not homophobic but your post proves that you are definitely homophobic, who are you to say what kind of relationship is "natural". There is no reason in the world why same sex couples can't offer a loving and caring home to a child.

 

[sparkes]

NO

And some of our friends live as gay couples.

 

[NorfolkMike]

Just because the law says that one should not discriminate, it does not prevent the feeling of revulsion in the privacy of ones home.

ttfn

 

[cris_408518]

I meant for this to be a Yes or NO type thread.

It seems that to often people are scared to say what they think due to the present day PC agendas.

Somebody somewhere will lose their life today and surely their kids should be cared for in the way they wish, not according to some PC stance.

A few years ago the gay community wanted to live openly and for people to accept the way they are, but now it seems thay want others to live a lie about what they would expect for their children.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Robert can gays breed naturally with their chosen partner??? .......I rest my case Robert ;O)

As I said earlier Robert, what you do between you and your chosen partner is no business of mine or anyone elses but when your lifestyle is foisted onto an innocent child who has no say in the matter then it becomes a public concern because those children have nobody to protect them if the likes of the silent majority stay silent.

 

[NorfolkMike]

How would anyone feel with the thought that ones child was likly to end up in the hands of anyone with a predeliction for the admitted 'sexualy (I will be polite) different.

ttfn

 

[RichardS1]

No

 

[NorfolkMike]

Message to Tony.

Thanks,

Another fine mess you have got us in to.

ttfn

 

[coljac]

I'm not a Roman Catholic nor am I religious but the Head of the Catholic church in this country is 100% right. I was even surprised to see that the head of my church, the druid Dr. Rowan Williams also supports what the R.C. church is saying. Like others posts in this thread I'm not homophobic, what consenting adults do behind closed doors between themselves is of no concern to me but even someone with only two brain cells knows that procreation and the rearing of a family is between a male and female. I also agree with Angus on the misuse of English words like gay, where on earth did that come from, what is gay about homosexuals? Do they go happily skipping wherever they wander? I'm sick of the minority of politically correct idiots who have taken over this country, what is needed is a revolution because we have gone too far. Nobody in government has mentioned the most important point in this matter and that is the poor child who has no say in the matter and it's the childs welfare that is PARAMOUNT, not the selfish wishes of the homosexual community. I'm sorry Robert but children should be given the right start in life, they will have time when they are older to make up their own minds about their sexual orientation without being reared thinking that two women or two men as parents is natural because quite simply it isn't, no matter what argument you put up.

Lord B 1st im glad to see you back i have missed you .

I agree with you .For gods sake keep up the good work and dont join the PC brigade

 

[Wendy-Norfolk]

Definately not!!

 

[BrianStAlbans]

No problems with it at all. We live close to a lesbian couple who are foster parents and have also adopted .Their children are the best you could want for. What is important is a child has a safe , loving home ,the gender of the parents does not effect that.I can think of a lot of "normal" couples I would not leave my children with.

Brian.

 

[Val & Frank]

What's wrong with being " homophobic " It's like being labelled a " racist " because you think your country has been taken over. People with a motive to push their own agenda object so they hang a label on you that says " you are evil or something, because you don't agree with them ".

Robert what you or your friends do is your business, but don't try to push it down everyone elses throat. People get tired of the whine that is constantly coming from a very very small section of the population. Which if you think about it would not be here, but for the good old hetrosexual family. Homosexual is not the norm, never has it been nor will it ever be. Otherwise the world stops going round.

Frank

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Frank don't forget the old chestnut that they throw at you if you have the temerity to disagree with them - "get a life, this is 2007, you are living in the past".

In retrospect I would rather live in the past than be around to see the future of this country and the anarchy that will come from the PC minority.

If the equality laws can make no exceptions how come children aren't fostered out to paedophiles? Don't be surprised if paedophiles take the government to court because they are being denied their human rights, and under the present climate they would probably win, not only the right to adopt but also thousands of pounds in compensation for the stress that was caused them.

I used to believe that Labour were doing well in government but this second term in office is ruining this country and doing untold harm that can never be rectified. The sooner they are gone the better.

I've three things to be thankful for in my life, living in the era I have done because I believe my generation had it best, the love of my parents and growing up to be heterosexual.

 

[MikeP]

What's wrong with being " homophobic " It's like being labelled a " racist " because you think your country has been taken over. People with a motive to push their own agenda object so they hang a label on you that says " you are evil or something, because you don't agree with them ".

Robert what you or your friends do is your business, but don't try to push it down everyone elses throat. People get tired of the whine that is constantly coming from a very very small section of the population. Which if you think about it would not be here, but for the good old hetrosexual family. Homosexual is not the norm, never has it been nor will it ever be. Otherwise the world stops going round.

Frank

"... but don't try to push it down everyone elses throat".

Not the best choice of phrase!

 

[cris_408518]

This post started out due to a conversation my wife and I had, it was more about what is being done to satisfy the PC brigade rather than what people in general want.

I didn't intend for this to be a witch hunt against gay people. I would add that one of our gay friends and another that we know of have both said that they were glad that they grew up with heterosexual parents even though our friend had a difficult time with his father accepting the facts of life for him.

If the majority of parents want their children brougt up be heterosexuals in the event of some disaster surely those veiws should be accepted and catered for. If that can be done by Church agencies whats the problem with giving the parents what they want.

They are supposed to be able to pick and choose schools, yet their choices re their stand ins are to be ignored it seems.

Homosexuals want their ideas and choices catered for but would deny others it seems.

There are adoption agencies that cater for adoption by all genders, so why do they have to change the law to force all to follow the PC line.

 

[Val & Frank]

"... but don't try to push it down everyone elses throat".

Not the best choice of phrase!

I know I did think twice about it !!!! Family site didn't think anyone would cotton on !!!

Frank

 

[Val & Frank]

I didn't intend for this to be a witch hunt against gay people

It's not. The witch hunt seems to be against the Catholic Church or anyone who dares disagree with the Homosexual minority.

Frank