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Sorry Wendy, that sounded so up myself, as soon as I pressed 'submit' I wished I could have retracted what I'd typed. I'm not like that in real life, really I'm not.I have absolutely NO intention of looking for another job, I am very happy where I work thank you. I moved over to a managerial post and I got a massive hike in my salary.
I'm just showing my support for the lower paid people out there.
Lisa
Lisa xxx
Day 2 of the strike and I've been ill all day! None of the cleaning has been done and I've lost a day's pay, oh well, such is life!
Thanks to those who are in support of our asking for a pay rise that will allow us to carry on with our current standard of living. Note that I say 'carry on' and not 'improve' as, in today's economic climate, we'd need much more than 6% or 50p per hour to do that.
I fully sympathise with those on fixed pensions etc, but, as someone else has posted above, those of us on strike are working hard for our pay and deserve a fair deal.
I came to work in a school after 13 years in a bank where, believe me, the hourly rate of pay was higher and the benefits were far better i.e. non-contributory pension (I have to pay 6% of my salary now), cheap mortgage and loan deals, sharesave schemes and lots more. The reason I changed was that I didn't want my children to have to go here, there and everywhere in the school holidays so I needed term time working. Contrary to popular belief, as a school admin worker, I only get paid for 5 weeks holidays plus Bank holidays per year, just like I would in other jobs and the rest is unpaid but being there for my kids is priceless to me (and to them). Plus we can go away in the caravan more!
To those of you that don't think we deserve that little bit more, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Cheers, Claire
Thanks to those who are in support of our asking for a pay rise that will allow us to carry on with our current standard of living. Note that I say 'carry on' and not 'improve' as, in today's economic climate, we'd need much more than 6% or 50p per hour to do that.
I fully sympathise with those on fixed pensions etc, but, as someone else has posted above, those of us on strike are working hard for our pay and deserve a fair deal.
I came to work in a school after 13 years in a bank where, believe me, the hourly rate of pay was higher and the benefits were far better i.e. non-contributory pension (I have to pay 6% of my salary now), cheap mortgage and loan deals, sharesave schemes and lots more. The reason I changed was that I didn't want my children to have to go here, there and everywhere in the school holidays so I needed term time working. Contrary to popular belief, as a school admin worker, I only get paid for 5 weeks holidays plus Bank holidays per year, just like I would in other jobs and the rest is unpaid but being there for my kids is priceless to me (and to them). Plus we can go away in the caravan more!
To those of you that don't think we deserve that little bit more, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Cheers, Claire
That should liven it up bit!Nobody on strike in Essex as far as I am aware!
Sack the lot, I say!!
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Ed
No strike in Essex - that's because all the women are in the sun tan booths and all the men are in Argos looking at gold chains.
Lisa
No strike in Essex - that's because all the women are in the sun tan booths and all the men are in Argos looking at gold chains.
Lisa
I wondered where everybody had gone!!
Still I suppose we could start breeding whippets and pigeons.
Edd
Still I suppose we could start breeding whippets and pigeons.
Edd
I've been watching this thread unravel, I have no strong feelings either way on this one. Richness is measured differently in our house, its not all about finances.
Hey don't knock whippets, we used to have whippets and greyhounds and race them. We had some good winners too.I wondered where everybody had gone!!
Still I suppose we could start breeding whippets and pigeons.
Edd
Lisa
And in ours too Valerie, hence my taking a pay cut to work termtime so that I can be there for our kids.
Sadly, we need money to feed and cloth the little darlings.
Sadly, we need money to feed and cloth the little darlings.
What about the estate workers at Screwwem Hall? Not all of us land owners employ ruffians from overseas. Who pays for the upkeep of Screwwem Hall? I do, the roof needs doing and craftsmen don't come cheap. Thankfully they own their own businesses and don't work for the overpaid public sector so we can barter on prices. By cutting out five layers of management and scrapping 150 government quangos will subsidise a pay rise for all.
Oops I forgot, also scrap non-contributory pensions schemes in the public sector, why should we have to pay through our council taxes.
Get back to work before I pass a motion that we allow more immigrants to come and do your jobs. Bluddy idlers the lot of them.
Oops I forgot, also scrap non-contributory pensions schemes in the public sector, why should we have to pay through our council taxes.
Get back to work before I pass a motion that we allow more immigrants to come and do your jobs. Bluddy idlers the lot of them.
I dare not strike. She who must be obayed would would saulghter me.
Colin - Orpington.
Must sign off she is coming.......1/lefhaeirjghvaej
Colin - Orpington.
Must sign off she is coming.......1/lefhaeirjghvaej
If the extra money is needed to clothe and feed your little darlings you've got your priorities wrong - sell the van!And in ours too Valerie, hence my taking a pay cut to work termtime so that I can be there for our kids.
Sadly, we need money to feed and cloth the little darlings.
I am inclined to think that striking is a waste of money for the individual - all it does is give the employer more cash. Regarding the tanker drivers - we should boycot Shell petrol stations which would then have a knock on effect on deliveries and thereby reduce the number of tankers required. Teaching assistants - why do we need these people? If a teacher cannot cope then get rid of them, we never had teaching assistants years ago. What has partly caused the problem for teachers is the out of classroom paper work/returns/etc. bumf that is now being asked for by higher government officials in order to justify their jobs.
I have worked in both private practice and local government and in my opinion if local government was a private industry it would be bankrupt years ago. The amount of waste in both materials and workforce in local government and teaching is horendous - having experienced first hand experience of both. The FE college I worked in had an overdraft of
I have worked in both private practice and local government and in my opinion if local government was a private industry it would be bankrupt years ago. The amount of waste in both materials and workforce in local government and teaching is horendous - having experienced first hand experience of both. The FE college I worked in had an overdraft of
I am inclined to think that striking is a waste of money for the individual - all it does is give the employer more cash. Regarding the tanker drivers - we should boycot Shell petrol stations which would then have a knock on effect on deliveries and thereby reduce the number of tankers required. Teaching assistants - why do we need these people? If a teacher cannot cope then get rid of them, we never had teaching assistants years ago. What has partly caused the problem for teachers is the out of classroom paper work/returns/etc. bumf that is now being asked for by higher government officials in order to justify their jobs.
I have worked in both private practice and local government and in my opinion if local government was a private industry it would be bankrupt years ago. The amount of waste in both materials and workforce in local government and teaching is horendous - having experienced first hand experience of both. The FE college I worked in had an overdraft of
:O)I have absolutely NO intention of looking for another job, I am very happy where I work thank you. I moved over to a managerial post and I got a massive hike in my salary.
I'm just showing my support for the lower paid people out there.
Lisa
well said LB ,i am self employed ,no sick pay ,no holiday pay ,pay for my own pension ,many is the time i have felt ill and had to go to work because i have had people on the phone asking why i am not there ,every thing i have i have got by my own wits ,and hard workWhat about the estate workers at Screwwem Hall? Not all of us land owners employ ruffians from overseas. Who pays for the upkeep of Screwwem Hall? I do, the roof needs doing and craftsmen don't come cheap. Thankfully they own their own businesses and don't work for the overpaid public sector so we can barter on prices. By cutting out five layers of management and scrapping 150 government quangos will subsidise a pay rise for all.
Oops I forgot, also scrap non-contributory pensions schemes in the public sector, why should we have to pay through our council taxes.
Get back to work before I pass a motion that we allow more immigrants to come and do your jobs. Bluddy idlers the lot of them.
did not notice school & libary open. bins emptied due to ours being contractors. Having worked for a supermarket chain in distribution they found cheapest way was to out source all distribution to two diffrent contractors. Could be the best way to go?
Claire & Rob stated "....those of us on strike are working hard for our pay and deserve a fair deal."
Oh really ??????
OK I will accept that some of the people on strike work hard for their pay but certainly not all.
Take our local binmen as an example ..... they often leave rubbish in the street by not emptying properly, dont put bins back on driveways (where we are asked to leave them), return wrong bin to wrong house (I dont want a neighbours filthy bin) etc.
Even the head of their dept in the council has agreed that he cant make them do it as they are supposed to !!
So ..... when they start to do their job properly I might have some sympathy for them and show some support.
Oh really ??????
OK I will accept that some of the people on strike work hard for their pay but certainly not all.
Take our local binmen as an example ..... they often leave rubbish in the street by not emptying properly, dont put bins back on driveways (where we are asked to leave them), return wrong bin to wrong house (I dont want a neighbours filthy bin) etc.
Even the head of their dept in the council has agreed that he cant make them do it as they are supposed to !!
So ..... when they start to do their job properly I might have some sympathy for them and show some support.
There is an old joke;
Question "How many people work for the local council?"
Answer "About half of them".
It's quite simple really, I would give them a 5% pay rise - on condition that they sacked 5%. And so on every year.
Local and national government offices are grossly overstaffed. My daughter-in-law works for the "courts service", after the birth of her baby she went back to work part time working three days per week. She now does the same amount of work in those three days that she used to do in a week!
Private industry shed thousands of jobs in the 1980's and 1990's as technology made certain jobs superfluous. How many filing clerks are now employed? Laptop computers have made many mundane tasks un-necessary. The employees left have to work long hours to keep their jobs. The local council offices and their workforce have been sheltered from economic realities for too long. The present government have avoided any conflict with their union paymasters, preferring to pander to their demands by taking money from the private sector.
Unfortunately we are now getting to the stage where there is no money left, so now the day of reconning has arrived.
I won't hold my breath that this government will grasp the nettle, after all they ran away from the problem of dealing with their pension demands. Instead they taxed private pensions 5billion a year to part fund the public sector.
Question "How many people work for the local council?"
Answer "About half of them".
It's quite simple really, I would give them a 5% pay rise - on condition that they sacked 5%. And so on every year.
Local and national government offices are grossly overstaffed. My daughter-in-law works for the "courts service", after the birth of her baby she went back to work part time working three days per week. She now does the same amount of work in those three days that she used to do in a week!
Private industry shed thousands of jobs in the 1980's and 1990's as technology made certain jobs superfluous. How many filing clerks are now employed? Laptop computers have made many mundane tasks un-necessary. The employees left have to work long hours to keep their jobs. The local council offices and their workforce have been sheltered from economic realities for too long. The present government have avoided any conflict with their union paymasters, preferring to pander to their demands by taking money from the private sector.
Unfortunately we are now getting to the stage where there is no money left, so now the day of reconning has arrived.
I won't hold my breath that this government will grasp the nettle, after all they ran away from the problem of dealing with their pension demands. Instead they taxed private pensions 5billion a year to part fund the public sector.
Michael - the advancement of technology was such to reduce actual man hours manual work. Harold Wilson made a statement that man's advancement in technology would be man's downfall and that the up and coming industry would be tourism and leisure as man would have plenty of spare time from work. Unfortunately in local government and most other local/national run government agencies it has not reduced man hours but increased man hours by various tiers of management demanding extra information to justify their existance. The paper mountain created by this is horendous - most forms of nationalised industry is now top heavy with management - the NHS is a classic example. The sooner this level of wasteful "managers" are done away with the more economical and financialy viable these public offices will become.
Another classic example is the HR section - although staff levels in other sections may be reduced this section appears to be growing rather than being reduced pro rata. It is what is known as local/central government empire building and needs to be brought back to a satisfactory level and dispose of the dross and the waste.
Another classic example is the HR section - although staff levels in other sections may be reduced this section appears to be growing rather than being reduced pro rata. It is what is known as local/central government empire building and needs to be brought back to a satisfactory level and dispose of the dross and the waste.
Colyn ap Brydgynd I have a question for you :O)
In your above post you mentioned "man" six times, ten times if you count "management" twice, "manual" and "managers".
Are you trying to upset Lisa by any chance?
Heh! heh! heh!
In your above post you mentioned "man" six times, ten times if you count "management" twice, "manual" and "managers".
Are you trying to upset Lisa by any chance?
Heh! heh! heh!
fair comment - a computer unfortunately in my house cannot do the ironing, washing, cleaning or the dishes.Colyn ap Brydgynd I have a question for you :O)
In your above post you mentioned "man" six times, ten times if you count "management" twice, "manual" and "managers".
Are you trying to upset Lisa by any chance?
Heh! heh! heh!
My computer does. Also pays the bills, can turn TV on and off,even prepares meals. Why do you think I married her all those years ago :O)Colyn ap Brydgynd I have a question for you :O)
In your above post you mentioned "man" six times, ten times if you count "management" twice, "manual" and "managers".
Are you trying to upset Lisa by any chance?
Heh! heh! heh!
ha but would you still be so keen if your average profit paidwell said LB ,i am self employed ,no sick pay ,no holiday pay ,pay for my own pension ,many is the time i have felt ill and had to go to work because i have had people on the phone asking why i am not there ,every thing i have i have got by my own wits ,and hard work
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