The quest for more pressure

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My wife always complains that the water pressure on our 04 Swift Conqueror is too low.

So, how can I improve it?? I currently have a Crystal Thames submersible pump, I have considered fitting another pump inline with it but could I just get an uprated submersible unit??

Rog.
 
Jun 11, 2012
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Roger we had the same thing with our Ace Supreme.

I contacted Swift who sent me a new shower head where the problem showed up most it did help a little but not a great deal

Do you have an board water tank?

I ask this as we have bought a new Sterling and found the water pressure very low but after switching to the on board we are now quite happy.

Sir Roger
 

Damian

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Most sub pumps are limited to 7 ltrs per min, but when using the shower you have to overcome the head height, which reduces the pressure at the shower.

Also, van pipework is limited to 1.5bar before it starts causing leaks.

It is possible to fit an on board pump of 10 ltrs per min at 25lb/sq in pressure, or even 30 psi, but that means changing the inlet arrangement and any pressure switching inside the van.

Adding an in line booster will not do any good as iti s still limited by the lesser pump capacity.
 
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Roger

I have one of these pumps in my aquaroll, they are very good but the downside is you need to fetch more water unless you are on a super pitch,i put this type of pump into my on-board tank, they are both very good at emptying full aquarolls in a very short time.....
 
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Roger

It req's a 80mm opening.........

The Reich Twin Submersible pump features a twin motor design which allows a spare motor to be ran in case of one failing - this means the pump is useable if one motor fails. The pump also features an integrated non-return as well as includes 1m of cable.

Reich Twin Submersible Pump Specifications:

Power: 12v - 55W.

Flow rate: 19L/min.

Pressure: 1.4Bar.

Necessary tank opening 80mm diameter.
 
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Why does your wife require more pressure,it's a case of more pressure less flow and conversley less pressure more flow.

So if you increase the pressure you get less water out of the tap for a given time.
 
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Heloo Roger,

Alistairs analysis is only right if you don't change the pump, under these circumstance to increase the pressure at the outlet you need to restrict the outlet, its the thumb on the hose to make water squirt further but with less quanitity.

The relationship between pressure and flow is not always straightforward, and it relies on a number of other characteristics that need to be considered. Most pumps are quoted as having two figures that represent the two extremes of their performance. The maximum flow in L/m is with no hose connected to the pump, so in practice will never be achieved in a caravan.

The second is the maximum pressure, which is the pressure in Bar the pump can make when the flow is completely blocked, again of little practical use as there is no water flow, but it may be important if you have a pressure switched system. It is also important, because if the pump cannot cause the pressure switch to operate, the pump motor will continue to run, with the very real danger it will over heat (as there is no water flow to cool it) and damage its shaft seals causing irreparable damage.

It would be nice if a graph of flow against pressure were a straight line, but it isn't, each design of pump will have its own unique curved line, so what is true for one pump cannot be assumed to be the same for all, but the 'A typical' characteristic for a given system is to double the flow you need four times the pressure pr an inverse square law.

This means that the maximum flow rate of pump is rapidly reduces as soon as you add any pipework or other restrictions.

To put this into perspective, if you have a pump that claims a maximum flow of 10L/m and a max pressure of 1.2Bar it is likely that due to the height the water has to be raised from the water container to the kitchen sink and the restrictions of pipework and fittings the flow rate is likely to have dropped to about 4L/m, the additional height of the shower head and all its pipework and fittings the flow there is unlikely to exceed 1.5L/m.

Bearing in mind the inverse square law of the flow verses pressure graph, using a pump with a 1.4B output pressure (assuming all other things are equal) the difference at the shower will be minimal,

It would be foolhardy to try to use a pump with an even greater output pressure as the caravan pipe work will not stand anything above 1.5B and most water heaters have pressure relief system that will opera e and just dump water.

Its nice to hope that the systems in a caravan will give you the same performance ast those at home, but sadly in most cases they just cant. However if lower your expectations just a little the experience can be just as rewarding, and sometimes a little fun in finding ways to do things with less in knowledge you are actually helping to reduce waste.