The Right Heater Setting

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Hi there.

Could anybody give me some advice on finding the right heater seting for leaving on overnight.

The setting i use is either to hot or to cold!!

I have a Trumavent heater which i use on hook up.It has 3 power settings on a little round switch...500w,1000w and 2000w and a thermostat numbered 1 to 9.I can also set the fan speed for blown air.

Regards

Richard
 
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It'll depend on the outside temperature overnight. For our two berth, trial and error has shown that each 1000w will cope with a differential of 10-12 degrees Celcius.

To maintain an internal minimum of 16 overnight with an overnight forecast of 6 degrees, I set the heater control to 1000w - from +5 down to -4 I set the heater control to 2000w and similarly at 11 degrees or more I set it to 500w.

Overnight I set the fan speed to minimum.

The thermostat numbered 1-9 can be set by trial and error but note that many caravans suffer from an excessively long off period where the thermostat is affected by direct heat - remote thermostat sensor kits are available to overcome this problem.
 
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The wattage settings are there so you can make use of low amperage hookups, 500W for 6A, 1000W for 10A and 2000W for 16A hookups, their not there to adjust the temperature of the van.

The fire is thermostatcally controlled, therefore the wattage used will simply mean the fire is heating for shorter or longer periods. Example, the fires control is designed to switch on if the temperature drops 2 degrees below that set on the dial, if the fire on 500w takes 6 minutes to raise the vans temperature 2degs, it will take 3 minutes at 1000w and half again at 2000W. Total electric used remains the same.

(it's not quite like that I know but essentially it's near enough)

Where the problem arises then is if the temperature control is not working correctly, this as Roger says is often due to the heat from the fire directly effecting the sensor itself. This means the fire brings the temperature sensor up to that set on the dial and the fire switches off, you and the vans are still cold but the sensors toasty and takes forever to cool before switching the fire back on!!

Due to this and particularly over night, it's become something of an urban myth to set it at 500w and this or that number on the dial and fan speed setting, in truth what's happening is the fires not capable of reaching temperature so never switches off, it's a work around but not how it should work.

Other problems concern the control board, the elements are switched on and off by relays and the contacts burn out particularly the 2kw relay.

The 12v for control also comes from this board and the transformer sometimes packs up for no reason but possibly simply because of a mains voltage spike.

Lastly if no heat is forth coming then there are two overtemp thermostats and again one at least has a habit of self destructing!

The control switch itself seems generally reliable but the odd one does fail.

The numbers on the dial represent roughly 4degs and 9 is 32degs or thereabouts, this in theory makes 6 or 7 'normal' but it's what feels comfortable that matters not the number.

Another problem not caused by the heater itself is long runs of uninsulated blown air pipe running outside under the floor. Insulating this will improve matters considerable.

Everything installed and working as it should, there is no good reason why the electric heating should not work very well and keep an even temperature to suit your needs.

However, it must be remembered the van needs to be warmed through throughly before the heating is turned down, while the vans cold it will constantly drag heat from the air and this needs constant topping up or the van will always feel draughty. It's most useful then to use gas as well for the first couple of hours and if the heatings off during the day to turn it back on at the first sign of a chill.
 
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The wattage settings are there so you can make use of low amperage hookups, 500W for 6A, 1000W for 10A and 2000W for 16A hookups, their not there to adjust the temperature of the van.

The fire is thermostatcally controlled, therefore the wattage used will simply mean the fire is heating for shorter or longer periods. Example, the fires control is designed to switch on if the temperature drops 2 degrees below that set on the dial, if the fire on 500w takes 6 minutes to raise the vans temperature 2degs, it will take 3 minutes at 1000w and half again at 2000W. Total electric used remains the same.

(it's not quite like that I know but essentially it's near enough)

Where the problem arises then is if the temperature control is not working correctly, this as Roger says is often due to the heat from the fire directly effecting the sensor itself. This means the fire brings the temperature sensor up to that set on the dial and the fire switches off, you and the vans are still cold but the sensors toasty and takes forever to cool before switching the fire back on!!

Due to this and particularly over night, it's become something of an urban myth to set it at 500w and this or that number on the dial and fan speed setting, in truth what's happening is the fires not capable of reaching temperature so never switches off, it's a work around but not how it should work.

Other problems concern the control board, the elements are switched on and off by relays and the contacts burn out particularly the 2kw relay.

The 12v for control also comes from this board and the transformer sometimes packs up for no reason but possibly simply because of a mains voltage spike.

Lastly if no heat is forth coming then there are two overtemp thermostats and again one at least has a habit of self destructing!

The control switch itself seems generally reliable but the odd one does fail.

The numbers on the dial represent roughly 4degs and 9 is 32degs or thereabouts, this in theory makes 6 or 7 'normal' but it's what feels comfortable that matters not the number.

Another problem not caused by the heater itself is long runs of uninsulated blown air pipe running outside under the floor. Insulating this will improve matters considerable.

Everything installed and working as it should, there is no good reason why the electric heating should not work very well and keep an even temperature to suit your needs.

However, it must be remembered the van needs to be warmed through throughly before the heating is turned down, while the vans cold it will constantly drag heat from the air and this needs constant topping up or the van will always feel draughty. It's most useful then to use gas as well for the first couple of hours and if the heatings off during the day to turn it back on at the first sign of a chill.
Thanks all.

I guess its a a case of trial and error.We have got a few more trips planned this year so all your tips will be put to good use.

Thanks again

Richard
 
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Agree with Billy3fish we set our heater at 500 watts no blower setting 3, this maintains a heat of around 17oC with a outside air temp of 10oC.

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Gary is too modest to sell when giving advice, so I'll do it for him - he sells a remote sensor kit where the new electric sensor is positioned next to the gas temperature sensor at the bottom of the Truma.

Usual disclaimer - I have no connection, I'm not even a customer - I bought Truma's own remote sensor kit before I found out about Gary's which is cheaper and better positioned.
 

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In fairness to Truma, they now do recommend positioning the remote thermostat next to the gas 'stat. It's only taken them 5 years+ to dicover that Gary has been right all along.

At night, we stick ours on 2Kw and 15 degrees (our dial is the old one) with fan on auto on minimum. It's always been warm enough except when we were on a CL with low voltage and it was

-5 degrees. Boosted with gas.

It's a doddle to fit Gary's thermostat and the difference is phenomenal.

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insulating the long runs underneath makes an amazing difference,our new indiana already has remote stat clipped to gas heater stat but was still lousy,had to take a fan heater but now we insulated all the piping its great.
 
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How did you insulate the under van pipes? I am concerned that they are subject to 60mph gales when driving along. I would not like to leave a trail of insulation down the motorway! Our only external pipe is to the rear washroom but it is very exposed. (2008 - Odassy 482)
 
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I used Spiralwrap from Screwfix 62194,and secured each end with silver foil tape from Lidl.Its been fine for 9 months including going to France and never come loose,had a look when it was in dealers last month for service and it was fine,no complaints from them (Golden Castle) either so should be OK
 
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Dr Gary! You seem to be an expert......I have one of these electric elements behind my Truma gas heater. My wife had the thing on 2000w for ages and it tripped out the supply. Ever since the fire won't switch off!! It seems permanently switched on in the 500w position, regardless of the position of the on/off switch on the controller. The green led goes on and off, but the fire fire just stays on! Any ideas? Cheers. Ron
 
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funkyronster said:
....forum software usually notifies original posters......that's the plan anyway!

The old forum didn't have such luxuries and the new forum from a few months ago will only inform the OP if they have notification switched on. By default it's off. I wouldn't have thought anybody on this forum has notification switched on for threads older than a few months.
 
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Funnily enough I got an email about it so it might just work :)

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What amazes me more is I was 'Dr' Gary over 5yrs ago?! I only used it a little while when PC changed the forum but I would have sworn that was no more than 3yrs ago?!!....Anyway, back to just plain Gary now!

So your problem is simple enough, stuck on 500w means that settings relay is welded in the on position so cannot switch off.
Solution is to change that relay together with the other two, I can do this for you if you so wish
 

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